[RS777]

Stu.

If you are going to use a phenolic spacer you may find your need to modify the direct injection fuel rail as it bolts to the manifold which your moving away from the cylinder head.

As you using WMI I don't see the need for a heat break spacer on the manifold especially if you may need to modify the fuel rail in doing so.

Personally I'll vent the bonnet rather than wrapping the turbo in a blanket tbh.

Dell.

That’s a good point on the fuel rail Dell.
Blanket is already on the way. Yes I’d like to vent the bonnet but it’s really difficult to know what to do that would work well and not end up making the car look crap. I really like the LMS vent but struggling to get hold of one at the moment.
I would pay to have my bonnet altered to h as be vents properly f fabricated into the metal but it’s hard to find someone who can do it.

[Sequence]

A friend on his golf r changed the weather stripping at the rear of the bonnet along the scuttle panel for a lower profile seal leaving room for air to escape while maintaining a good enough barrier for water and he reckons it has helped temps massively. so that could be an option to look into? 

 

Based on how these are aerodynamically modelled though, adding vents into the bonnet could hurt temps as they are designed to have a low pressure zone at the rear of the engine to suck the warm air down and out under the car I believe, i do have an image that explains it well somewhere. 

Edited by Sequence, 03 August 2021 - 10:43 AM.

[RS777]

A friend on his golf r changed the weather stripping at the rear of the bonnet along the scuttle panel for a lower profile seal leaving room for air to escape while maintaining a good enough barrier for water and he reckons it has helped temps massively. so that could be an option to look into? 

 

Based on how these are aerodynamically modelled though, adding vents into the bonnet could hurt temps as they are designed to have a low pressure zone at the rear of the engine to suck the warm air down and out under the car I believe, i do have an image that explains it well somewhere. 

I'd be interested to see that Matt.

 

Due to running out of time to fit the plenum chamber last week I thought it might be a good idea to go multipoint on the WMI whilst it is off. I see Snows do kits for 4,6 & 8 cylinders so Regal are going to speak to them tomorrow. I am sure this would help temps and allow higher volume of WMI without the risk of over delivery to one cylinder.

[RS777]

A Snows direct injection system upgrade has been ordered to compliment the stage 2 kit I have currently. It just made sense to have the new manifold drill & tapped whilst it was off and to get the even delivery of water/methanol to each cylinder. It appears I will need a 6 cylinder kit and have one of the outlets blocked off. 

 

The first picture shows the kit and on the second the hypersonic injectors.

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Edited by RS777, 05 August 2021 - 02:50 PM.

[RS777]

Due to having to move the WMI tank to finish the rear upper carbon brace and going direct port I decided to upgrade the tank to a 26.5 litre one.

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[RS777]

During tuning my car developed a slight miss fire and triggered a fault. his was investigated and a damaged tip was found on the spark plug in cylinder 5. The engineer used an endoscope to check for damage to the piston & head and luckily they were both ok. A further compression check was done just in case and all is good.

 

Regal have contacted NGK technical for advice on the issue and to check if the spark plugs specked by TTE are the correct ones for the build. I am aware that something as simple as spark plugs being incorrectly torqued can cause a heat build up issue in the electrode, but it is most likely to be a faulty plug. Being a Bosch fuel injection specialist they have all the equipment to carry out every possible test on the injectors. The new Sharp Motorsport 980cc injectors were flow & match tested before they installed them but just to be safe all 10 injectors are going to be taken and fully tested. It's a pain there has been a slight set back but I am pleased they are not just chucking a new plug in and carrying on.

 

On Monday the new plenum chamber should be back from the machine shop with the Snows direct port WM injectors installed. If it was a faulty plug it wouldn't have helped having the WMI in the air intake as far as delivering even WM. This won't be an issue with the 5 injector set up. On previous cars when I ran nitrous I experienced a 20% increase in additional hp on a 100hp kit when changing to direct port injection. Stands to reason WMI will be the same and the reason Ben likes to use this method to gain more power.

 

Tomorrow and Monday they are working on the suspension and Verkline subframe etc and if time permits fitting the body kit parts. I am not really bothered when these parts are completed really and my main focus is getting the car back fully tuned.

[RS777]

I went down to Regal today to have a look at the various options for fitting the WMI injectors. I agreed being in the plenum chamber would not look good when we tested how they would look. It’s been decided they will be going into the runners. The plan is to get bosses put into the runners before drilling & tapping. The plastic supply pipe work will be used initially to get all the lengths correct and then have the armoured lines fabricated.

The new R8 style steering wheel buttons are now fitted snd work perfectly, looking oem.

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[RS777]

The latest update is mainly around the R&D for the meth injection. It turns out that the advice from the States won’t be used due to only being on e85 cars. The runners with injector fittings used by IROZ are only used for NOS and they have never fitted WMI. Their cars are on street maps running e85 and drag maps with NOS before the IC, after the IC and multipoint. Great cooling set up but no good for fast road UK driving.

After a certain amount of boost the 5 cylinder engines have a tendency to get hotter on the cylinders nearest to the throttle body. You would think it would be opposite but it’s due to the plenum chamber. The design is as such that the air flows from the throttle body end to the opposit end in a narrowing chamber causing turbulence. The air then comes back down the from chamber to supply the runners, picking up heat as it goes.

Regal sell Wavetrack diffs all round the World and luckily their biggest dealer in South Africa is the main WMI installer for RS3s. They have provided tons of data and jet positioning pictures after years of dyno testing. If you don’t already know their fuel quality is terrible over their and some areas only have a choice of either 91 or 93 octaiin. For that reason they highly rely on WMI to do any hybrid or big turbo conversions.

I will be popping in next week to see the progress as the jets are now in and I believe yesterday they were doing the pipework. Luckily the runners weren’t drilled as the most effective dyno tested position was on the rear edge of the plenum chamber with greater turbulence than in the runners. Not sure what the jet sizes will be but after speaking to Aquamist I think they will be around 200ml each, 5 direct port and 1 in the air intake somewhere after the IC.

The intention is to have a daily driver map on around 550, a fast road on 675 and a drag map on the max output. All of these maps with be complimented by the TVS stage 4 maps when I take it up later this year.

[RS777]

Popped down to get an update today and the new manifold is back on and the jets have been fitted, along with the pipe work. The final injectors set up is a 375ml injector fitted pre intercooler and 5 x 125ml injectors in the plenum. Due to pre IC injector pipe work being so long a check valve has been fitted just after the 6 way splitter block to stop the fluid running backwards as the pressure drops. A 70/30 mixture of meth to water will be used. The next job was going to be a 15 second test run with a camera in the manifold and the plugs out, just to check there are no issues. Next week a new controller will be fitted instead of the Snows one that works purely boost. As an extra safety control we will be using one that works on boost or rpm to control the flow. As soon as I get more details on this I will post them. There are some more tech functions but I can’t remember everything I was told over a quick update.
The first picture shows the injectors in the plenum which plumbed in neatly and the 6th injector pre intercooler. In the picture the manifold doesn’t look that great but in real life it’s a really well designed snd fabricated bit of kit. It will look tons better where the carbon insert is fitted.

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Edited by RS777, 19 September 2021 - 12:17 AM.

[RS777]

Below is the uprated oil cooler fitted previously. Luckily whilst I was at the workshop they had the front bumper off to remove the additional plastic behind the grill that reduces airflow.

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[Roy]

I have no idea what your saying half the time mate its all gobbledegook

 

just hope it all works ok 

[RS3Dell]

I have no idea what your saying half the time mate its all gobbledegook
 
just hope it all works ok 

Roy.

I'll get you up to speed over breakfast mate 🤣

Dell.

[flybynite]

I have no idea what your saying half the time mate its all gobbledegook

just hope it all works ok 

 

Ha Ha    I think my issue is I did so much to my previous cars that I just want the easy life now. Did say I was not going to touch this one but I can see a Stage 1 in its future (even just to quieten the startup) and maybe an intercooler to keep it calm. Hopefully that will be the itch scratched for me 

[RS777]

Ha Ha    I think my issue is I did so much to my previous cars that I just want the easy life now. Did say I was not going to touch this one but I can see a Stage 1 in its future (even just to quieten the startup) and maybe an intercooler to keep it calm. Hopefully that will be the itch scratched for me 

It’s a slippery slope Roy and the itch is never totally scratched lol.

[RS777]

There is no secrecy around my build thread and I post all the information instead of keeping it secret. I will show the good and the bad to help people make their minds up on what they might do on their own build. Sharing info is the only way to go on a forum in my opinion.

So the new WMI controller is due to arrive today and has the following features:

• Controls 1 or 2 Water Methanol Injection (WMI) pumps in forced induction gasoline or diesel setups
• Industry’s first 3D mapped PWM duty control based on Engine RPM and Boost - not available with typical "progressive" controllers
• 4 General Purpose Outputs can be used for controlling boost control solenoids, anti-siphon solenoids, Fast Acting Valves (FAVs), auxiliary high-impedance injectors, staged injection solenoids, lamps, relays, LEDs, or 3rd party Electronic Boost Controllers (EBCs)
• Each one of the CM5-LTS' 6 outputs can be independently configured through a dedicated 16x16 duty table
• CANBus integration allows injection control based on parameters broadcast on the particular vehicle's internal CAN network
• Ideally suited for Direct Injection or staged Water Methanol setups
• Advanced built-in safety features based on optional flow sensors or pump current not available on rudimentary "knobs and switches" Water Methanol Injection controllers
• Fully-customizable operation with easy to use TorqTune PC software
• TorqTune software also provides real-time data viewing, data logging and data playback of all system parameters for unprecedented ease of system tuning

Its the 'Industry’s first 3D mapped PWM duty control based on Engine RPM and Boost' which is the important thing for this build. The big issue with running 2 bar of boost is the boost can drop off whilst you are still at high rpm when you need the cooling most, especially if lifting off the throttle.

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Edited by RS777, 23 September 2021 - 11:48 PM.

[RS777]

This kit the flavour of the week ?? ‍♂

Please explain further Ben.

Not seen you posting for a while so I’m sure you will have some constructive worthwhile input.

Genuine question, did you end up doing a hybrid turbo FL in the end and do you have any details and dyno printout to show us? If you did your multipoint WMI do you have details of with and without power outputs?

[RS777]

Not posted for a while as I'm flat out.

Only advice I have is reach out to the 8p owner regal built.

Firstly I have no idea who he is and secondly why don’t you just answer the question on what you mean by “This kit the flavour of the month??”.

I can only think you are referring to the fact Regal have changed the controller they are using for the WMI. Originally we were not going multipoint but after taking advice from one of their long term customers who are doing lots of WMI multipoint kits. They use use the 3D map controller and get good results. A poor tuning company would find out a better way of doing something and not tell the customer. The fact they are not charging for the controller upgrade or the additional labour. They just wanted to provide the best WMI possible.

Same old crap Ben. If you have such good knowledge on WMI and truly want to help forum members you would give advice. Your two face sniping comments get right up my nose and it’s not the way to act. As it happens I’ve been told about owners unhappy about your work but I’ve refrained from slagging you off over it because it’s not my place.

If you are such an oracle of tuning stop obsessing over other tuners work and post your builds with dyno print outs. Surely you must have great FL conversions by now and we would all love to see the results.

If you don’t have anything constructive to say then stay off my thread.

Edited by RS777, 29 September 2021 - 10:09 PM.

[Sequence]

Firstly, stating you have been told I have unhappy customers is just laughable! I have zero customers that are unhappy with the work I have carried out.

Secondly, why would i spill all my knowledge for the likes of regal?


Thirdly, you have no idea what your involved with! The 8p owner has just spent 10k with me putting his car right.

And finally, NO MATTER WHAT I SAY YOU DONT LISTEN!!!

Enjoy your build (that seems to never end lol)

No company in any industry has 100% customer satisfaction get off your high horse. 

"Flat out" Yet time to troll 

[RS777]

Firstly, stating you have been told I have unhappy customers is just laughable! I have zero customers that are unhappy with the work I have carried out.

Secondly, why would i spill all my knowledge for the likes of regal?


Thirdly, you have no idea what your involved with! The 8p owner has just spent 10k with me putting his car right.

And finally, NO MATTER WHAT I SAY YOU DONT LISTEN!!!

Enjoy your build (that seems to never end lol)

In all the years of using car forums I’ve never fell out with anyone and have been happy to meet lots of decent car enthusiasts. I told you previously to just stay off my thread if you don’t like what I’m doing. My car, my money and my choice to do what I want. You must be bitter I didn’t use you which was purely down to the fact you had no examples of FL cars you had done and never posted much info. Anyway I’m glad I didn’t go with you because you show your true colours by again starting your, as Sequence pointed out ‘trolling comments’. It’s easy just don’t read or post on my thread because it’s not appreciated.

Just to be open and honest I will say I think you are a whiny d**k head and if you would like me to say it to your face please pm me and I will be happy to meet up. If not just don’t post on my thread and go post your own. This forum is quiet enough with slimy trollers putting members off being on here.

[flybynite]

Firstly, stating you have been told I have unhappy customers is just laughable! I have zero customers that are unhappy with the work I have carried out.

Secondly, why would i spill all my knowledge for the likes of regal?

Thirdly, you have no idea what your involved with! The 8p owner has just spent 10k with me putting his car right.

And finally, NO MATTER WHAT I SAY YOU DONT LISTEN!!!

Enjoy your build (that seems to never end lol)

 

I am a complete outsider here, no affiliation or history with anyone other than a couple of e-mails with Regal about Wavetrac a few years ago.

 

Thankfully I am not looking at more than Stage 1, but if I was, from what I have read here you would certainly not get my business.

 

Beating on other people to promote yourself has always been the lowest form of advertising. I find people that have a genuine product generally do not feel the need to do that and I personally have no time for it.

 

I have been tuning turbo cars since the mid '80s and I just find it sad to see what used to be banter between a great crowd of people turn into a toxic pissing contest at every turn.