[red14]

Could we see if there is any "mileage" ( sorry, had to do it) in asking our North American and European friends if they would be interested in this sort of action? I think the more voices we can muster at the start would be a good idea.

[Uncle Fester]

Could we see if there is any "mileage" ( sorry, had to do it) in asking our North American and European friends if they would be interested in this sort of action? I think the more voices we can muster at the start would be a good idea.

Unfortunately the RS3 wasn't released for the North American market as they do like a Class Action (law suit) as you can see there's one on at the minute against Honda and surprise surprise its for brake pads .

http://topclassactio...pad-settlement/

[Roy]

My vote goes for 45 bvtc

 

as his knowledge and administrative skills are far and away better than mine,

 

Perhaps we could even   " contribute " for his time and effort as I would be more than willing to do as after all it would be his time and effort..

 

Who knows if they start getting bad publicity ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,?

 

Any volunteers ?

[45bvtc]

Thank's ROY G but NO votes needed; I've evaluated most and have near reverted (maybe have already?) to Audi STD (Audi/Brembo/Pagid) items.

 

Low speed (5 to 0mph) brake squeal I do not have, of that you can be sure... 

 

Brake pedal feel/bite/grind/excess noise, however, is another matter; and haveing driven lots of RS cars this year it's been of great interest to 'feel' brake pedal position/bite/pressure across the range.

 

One thing for sure; the brakes on our A2 are mega, but that's down to an all aluminium light-weight construction rather than anyone elses brake material compounds...

[CarrG]

Thank's ROY G but NO votes needed; I've evaluated most and have near reverted (maybe have already?) to Audi STD (Audi/Brembo/Pagid) items.

 

Low speed (5 to 0mph) brake squeal I do not have, of that you can be sure... 

 

Brake pedal feel/bite/grind/excess noise, however, is another matter; and haveing driven lots of RS cars this year it's been of great interest to 'feel' brake pedal position/bite/pressure across the range.

 

One thing for sure; the brakes on our A2 are mega, but that's down to an all aluminium light-weight construction rather than anyone elses brake material compounds...

 

 

Are you no longer using Redstuff? Any negative feedback?

[P_G]

Well new pads are in so it's a matter of seeing how they are now.....

I've gone for a Ferodo DS performance pad (again a Mitsubishi Evo X part number) was going to go for a DS2500 but Ferodo said I'd definitely have squeal with those, they say these are a good upgrade to the normal pads.

They are 1mm thicker than OE pads so I've not used any shims (the pads didn't come with any either) to allow them more sideways movement in the Caliper.........

Went out late this afternoon to bed them in (used the road to Holmfirth) everything seems great.......


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 Interesting as they already have wear sensors in them as well, a first for aftermarket pads for the RS3 IIRC.

[Pat]

Well new pads are in so it's a matter of seeing how they are now.....

I've gone for a Ferodo DS performance pad (again a Mitsubishi Evo X part number) was going to go for a DS2500 but Ferodo said I'd definitely have squeal with those, they say these are a good upgrade to the normal pads.

They are 1mm thicker than OE pads so I've not used any shims (the pads didn't come with any either) to allow them more sideways movement in the Caliper.........

Went out late this afternoon to bed them in (used the road to Holmfirth) everything seems great.......


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You have gotta love the Holmfirth Road, ill be on it later.

What is your feel safe speed over the top on that bouncy road.... your from and to speed ?? I know id love mine to be at least 30mph more than it is but having done it in 3 decent cars they all vary...bit like a testing ground 

[ColinC2]

The Brake Saga (contd)

 

So the RS3 was in Poole Audi today having the spark plugs replaced as the supplying dealer had neglected to do them before they sold me the car @24k miles. And yes they are reimbursing me 

 

Took the oppurtunity to take the technician out for a drive to reproduce the brake judder / vibration through the wheel and fortunately (or is it unfortunately ?) we could both reproduce it especially under load i.e. downhill. 

 

Since my last post I have founf out that the discs and pads were replaced by the selling dealer so within 700 miles (or actually less) they are vibrating. 

 

So its another set of discs and pads and two days in [probably] a boring diesel for me in a few weeks time

[P_G]

Classic pad deposition on the discs from soft OEM pads which you will only ever get rid of by frequently changing discs / pads through warranty and losing your car for 0.5-1 day every time or changing to aftermarket pads unless you want to skim the discs every time.

[Uncle Fester]

I'm happy with these Ferodo DS performance pads I'm testing......

300+ miles (currently on holiday in Porthmadog) no judder upon braking like I was getting with Redstuff, dust seems low and no noise.

Happy days (for now)


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Thats good news Sean,best get yourself up to Caernarfon to your nearest KFC and enjoy a bargain bucket. 

Edited by DAYTONA-500, 26 March 2015 - 06:58 PM.

[Uncle Fester]

[P_G]

Yellowstuffs are holding up well too, plenty of bite, get better the more heat there is, minimal fade and no squeeling! Plus on the couple of occasions its been tipping it down no wet braking delay. 

Edited by P_G, 03 April 2015 - 08:03 AM.

[daveb1970]

This thread highlights nicely what everybody wants from brake pads once you come off piste and fit different pad materials.

 

Whilst no doubt reg 90 the DS2000 performance pads probably won't be up to stopping an RS3 after 3-4 heavy applications.

 

The RS3 has a dash speed of 130-140 and a top speed of nearer 160-170 is, if you don't regularly drive much over the speed limit and sedately (and yes people do buy these cars and not "use" them) then a lesser material will no doubt suffice.

 

I would advocate caution when recommending them to others who may not drive in the same manner and also mention them to the new owner if you sell it.

[Vito]

Veneeringam, your support and feedback is very much appreciated from myself and the majority of the other forum members. Thanks.

Edited by Vito, 02 April 2015 - 01:52 PM.

[Duke3D]

Take no notice Veneeringam, your support and feedback is very much appreciated from myself and the majority of the other forum members. Thanks.

Yeah I ditto that.

[ColinC2]

I have not been around here that long myself , but am no stranger to online car forums,  and would advocate that all should remember what forums are - a public place to share individual experiences , feedback, and opinions. 

 

Veneeringam you have always expressed both in a calm and considered way so surely ignore someone with a post count of two whose post grammar makes it difficult to understand and includes the word "probably". 

[sawda]

I'm not recommending them to anybody.......
I'm simply posting my issues related to my car and sharing on a public forum.

The Ferodo DS performance pads are marketed as an upgrade to standard OEM pads, I agree they are better in my opinion.......IF I sell the car it'll go back on the nearly new OEM pads I've in the garage and if it needs new discs I'll put new discs on it.

We shouldn't be put in this situation on a 48k car whereby we are re-engineering Audi/Brembo failings.

If that's the way certain individuals are feeling about me posting up my findings then fine, in future I'll not bother.





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I always read your posts and find them really helpful and useful to hear how you have gone through the process... Don't stop! Even though I am one of the lucky few that have problem free breaks you never know when the information may come in hand and more importantly how to deal with it. I think your posts are extremely informative and admire your persistence in finding a suitable solution for you. If more people share their experiences then we can all reach our own conclusions based on the general consensus. Thanks for all your posts to date 😃

[booker]

I always read your posts and find them really helpful and useful to hear how you have gone through the process... Don't stop! Even though I am one of the lucky few that have problem free breaks you never know when the information may come in hand and more importantly how to deal with it. I think your posts are extremely informative and admire your persistence in finding a suitable solution for you. If more people share their experiences then we can all reach our own conclusions based on the general consensus. Thanks for all your posts to date

 

I wholeheartedly endorse this comment. One of the most appealing features of this forum is the way in which members openly post their experiences of the various issues faced with their cars, and the sum total of these posts amounts to a veritable wealth of information for us all. Lets hope that the tolerance and mutual respect which has hitherto existed between members continues for everyone's benefit 

Edited by booker, 02 April 2015 - 05:34 PM.

[daveb1970]

Ok chaps.

Certainly don't want to break up the band of brothers thing going on I respect anybody's right to fit what they want and document it however they see fit.

I'd simply ask you to consider the point I made, do due dil on the products fitted and me if need be.

The TTRS and RS3 are one of their own , it's not long ago to keep up with one of these things even stock you'd have needed an F40 and be ex Pink Floyd to be able to buy one....not just pop down your local dealer and write a cheque out....

Without going really into it, if you consider piston size, pad surface area, system pressure, effective disc radius and pad friction you'll come up with a number in units let's say 10000. The split 7000/3000 we call bias

If you put an unsuitable pad in there which gives you a total number of say 8500 then not only has your total number decreased then the numbers have moved around and the bias is affected say eg 5500/3000

It might have bite, low dust, no squeal etc but your stopping distance and therefore time to reach a desired speed or point on the road will increase not good. And that's first application never mind the 4th/5th stop

DS2000 is not an upgrade to the RS3, the stock pads have been historically DS2500 or Pagid RS4-2-1 with an Audi part number, you can tell by the compound numbers if you know what you're looking for.

Your squeal is caused by the thickness/diameter ratio of the disc and the mass of the Caliper and possibly upright rigidity. Compare a TTRS/RS3 Caliper to a DB9 Caliper. Search Evo forums or Aston forums for squeal issues, I have and you won't find any

It's too heavy too far out at 370mm simply

Apologies for crashing the party at a late stage and going evidently against the grain but we've been looking at these very brakes very empirically and closely for a number of years. Happy to disappear back under my rock....

[Pat]

Great post above no controversy insult or blame, just good information for debate........how true I don't know but I am interested into the science behind the squeal and the fade etc and why same pad in different caliper and using different disc doesn't have it.
Basically why are Audis faulty and hopefully what I'm going to fit won't be.....

Just wait, after all this I bet my super set of flashy stoppers squeal like a bloody pig in an abitoir