[P_G]

What happened to the Ferrodos BTW?

[daveb1970]

Nothing they are fine, but the comments about them not being suitable for the RS3 were niggling at me.........the joys of a forum eh?
These pads are RS3 specific from APS, they are now supplying them with wear sensor cut outs (not that it bothers me one way or another)
I've ordered matching rears for them.
Been out tonight bedding them in and all seems good.
At least now the Ferodo hater will be off my back (even though there is nothing wrong with them)image.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpg

Was that a thinly veiled swipe at me being a Ferodo hater? Sell loads of Ferodo most days, the correct compound for the correct weight of car commensurate with its power levels.....

What you've bought there are some Chinese pads imported by race pads in Caterick who are the UK Distributor for Brembo and sold under a license to use the brembo brand name....High RRP with 40% mark up to the supplier who probably have no idea where they come from. If you look at the Brembo GT catalogue for aftermarket fitment you won't find them in there. You will find HP2000 which is the material they supply with the GT kits, this stuff got absolutely slated on the German back to back tests, I'll try to find a link

Not having much luck are you....how much is that you've spent now £4-500???

The cutout doesn't make them for the RS3.

We had good success with Pagid Rs4-2-1 black pads with piston inserts from a 993 911, these piston inserts fit into the piston and stop the pad from moving.

For the record as far as I'm concerned fit whatever you like it's really down to you- fit mintex red box if you want they're also specified for RS3, I really really don't care but allow me to point out to others who listen that the pads you advocate (that you're clearly not happy with as you change them like your socks) will reduce braking Performance from the "crap" stock material that's actually better than the £4-500 quids worth of pads you've been auditioning.

Good luck with whatever you choose to fit

[Muzza80]

HP2000, I have them on the rear of my car.

Hard to tell with rear pads but they seem ok and I've put about 4k on them, little dust, no noise.

I didn't rate them much on the front of my S3 though, really didn't find them any better than OE pads, the reason I have them on the rear of the RS3 is purely as I never got round to fitting them on the S3.   

Edited by Muzza80, 09 April 2015 - 12:47 AM.

[Roy]

We appreciate all your postings Veneer,,,, 

 

Dont worry about what others say you are doing the rest of us a great service,,, 

[daveb1970]

Again......

For the record as far as I'm concerned fit whatever you like it's really down to you- fit mintex red box if you want they're also specified for RS3, I really really don't care but allow me to point out to others who listen that the pads you advocate (that you're clearly not happy with as you change them like your socks) will reduce braking Performance from the "crap" stock material that's actually better than the £4-500 quids worth of pads you've been auditioning.

Good luck with whatever you choose to fit

I sold 30k's worth of Ferodo pads last year, so the little jibe about being a Ferodo hater was a bit of a trolling attempt.

As part of your auditioning process why not do say 7-8 70-20mph stops and let us know what you think.

One could argue that you're doing a public service for people to let them know what pads NOT to fit

I'm not convinced there's a pad out there that will work on this installation as it left the factory, your amateur attempt to fix what Audi have spent probably a million euros trying to fix should be fully documented and admired.....

The pads supplied stock OEM a are cold pressed and there's a technical reason why they squeal after 1000 miles, it's on this page and it's the fact that to get the performance they need to be continually bedded in in service by utility, drive like Miss Daisy for 500 miles and you'll get squeal. Go do a non hard core track day or a fast road session or some big stops on the motorway and they'll quiet down, avoid light pedal pressure glazing as that will increase stopping performance and prevent them going "on" in service.

Put some lock on the car or remove the wheel and inspect the OEM pad, about 3mm back from the working surface should be what looks like a white tide mark, that's the sign that the material is being heat treated and "set". If it's not there have a tech remove the pads (and whilst this seems stupid there's good reason for it) use a large flat orbital sander with some rough paper in them to scuff them up, reinstall and go and have some fun, if you've got time get some wet and dry on the disc surface as well

Again it's not solving the problem its solving the symptoms that affects every brake setup in that to use a compound that will cope with the design power it needs some heavy function to in essence "set" the (crap analogy) marshmallowy interior of the material.

And swapping pad material onto a previously contaminated disc with ceramic based pads isn't recommended either the pads interact with the disc surface in a completely different way than metallic pads do and swapping compounds will just figuratively speaking not allowing the disc to figure out if it needs a sh1t or a haircut. You should allow a 1000 miles before coming to any conclusions or before trying your next set.

Apologies for the tone, it's frustrating to hear you evangelise stuff that just isn't based on any technical fact - sorry. But please crack on, I've only been hearing these stories since 2009 (twice a week) (for 30 minutes at a time), so that's about a week of my life I've spent discussing TTRS3 brake woes that I won't get back. Maybe I should get out more

[daveb1970]

Tell you what....being as I now feel like an @sshole

You buy some DB9 pads next time and some backplate shims, ill supply the porsche in piston dampers for the 40/44mm Pistons and if you want to venture up North to have them all fitted at my expense I'll lend you an AP disc setup for a month to see if we can remove enough variables to get them to shut up. We'll bed them in as per the manual too as that's crucial

Those pads are RS4-2-1 so that's a Pagid blue Rs4-2 that have been made more road friendly, OEM on Aston, Bugatti, Porsche.

So they've got the performance and given every chance should be quiet

Offers there....

Edited by daveb1970, 09 April 2015 - 10:32 AM.

[Roy]

Dave,

 

Thats a very kind offer and you should be commended for doing such!

 

if Veneer does not take you up on it ill be the Guinea pig and try them.!

[Pat]

Tell you what....being as I now feel like an @sshole
You buy some DB9 pads next time and some backplate shims, ill supply the porsche in piston dampers for the 40/44mm Pistons and if you want to venture up North to have them all fitted at my expense I'll lend you an AP disc setup for a month to see if we can remove enough variables to get them to shut up. We'll bed them in as per the manual too as that's crucial
Those pads are RS4-2-1 so that's a Pagid blue Rs4-2 that have been made more road friendly, OEM on Aston, Bugatti, Porsche.
So they've got the performance and given every chance should be quiet
Offers there....

Stuff that...get me all my paid for goodies, handbrake calipers and the multitude of bits I have no idea what they do before givin away freebies lol
Please just tell me what pads to use and when cos my misspent brain hurts !!

[booker]

More flack heading your way..........

 

[AudiRS3]

Hi Guys, 

 

Sorry to reopen this post, but I cant help but get your thoughts on what I should do. 

 

Bought a 2012 RS3 in June last year with about 10K on the clock, beautiful car and love it to bits and care for the car without cost being an issue as we loving RS3 owners do.  

 

However, it needed new pads in September 2014 and now the brakes are squeaking when I am braking from 5mph to 0, especially when parking. I have booked the car with Audi Bolton, they said I don't need new pads and my front discs were warped? (Surely this would mean vibration which I can feel through the steering) So I spoke to Audi UK because I disagree with the diagnosis and Audi UK are still investigating and have said that this model is not due for a brake recall. 

 

Frankly I cant bare it anymore as I am sure most of you equally cant!

 

What can I do?

 

Thanks in advance for your help!! 

[matty779blue]

Hi there. Could i suggest that you read the whole of this thread as certainly the first 10 pages of the thread answer youre questions.

It is fair to say that a 2012 build will have needed the brake updates. With so few miles on the clock i suspect it hasnt. There are a couple of easy tell tale signs eg. how many holes are drilled in the panel on the DS bumper. 

 

I have still suffered from warped brakes even having had the works recalls. If you are running OEM's then the only solution i have found is to consciously not get the brakes too hot.

 

Warped discs as a result of overheating is a well known issue (as you cna see from 14 pages of this thread) so you can expect to get new discs FOC. My car is out of warranty and this week i had new calipers, discs and pads at no cost to me. I would note down all relevant info trom this thread and go back to Audi UK armed with the knowledge.

 

Hope you find the thread helpful.

 

Cheers Matt

[AudiRS3]

Hi Matty779blue, 

 

Thanks for your reply, I reckon Bolton Audi are just trying to get me to pay for new discs and pads, they didn't even mention the brake recall, I'm surprised because Audi UK said the car does not need a brake recall, still waiting for them to get back to me, fingers crossed. 

 

I am running OEM'S but Audi Bolton insist the discs are warped and then expected me to pay a £1250 bill (robbing me or what). They said that the discs and pads are not a warrantied item??

 

When I actually saw this post I was shocked to see how people are getting new pads, disks and calipers? because Audi UK are insistent that the cars not suffering from a brake issue. 

 

I need help

Edited by AudiRS3, 10 April 2015 - 10:00 AM.

[quink345]

Hi Guys, 

 

Sorry to reopen this post, but I cant help but get your thoughts on what I should do. 

 

Bought a 2012 RS3 in June last year with about 10K on the clock, beautiful car and love it to bits and care for the car without cost being an issue as we loving RS3 owners do.  

 

However, it needed new pads in September 2014 and now the brakes are squeaking when I am braking from 5mph to 0, especially when parking. I have booked the car with Audi Bolton, they said I don't need new pads and my front discs were warped? (Surely this would mean vibration which I can feel through the steering) So I spoke to Audi UK because I disagree with the diagnosis and Audi UK are still investigating and have said that this model is not due for a brake recall. 

 

Frankly I cant bare it anymore as I am sure most of you equally cant!

 

What can I do?

 

Thanks in advance for your help!! 

 

see post 144

[AudiRS3]

Thanks Quink345, but I have read and I do not want to get my hands dirty because unfortunately I cant do with my work commitments. Its Audi's problem and they should fix it - I still stand firm on this!

Edited by AudiRS3, 10 April 2015 - 10:26 AM.

[matty779blue]

The first update done was to try and get more air flow to the discs. Audi basically drilled more holes in the front bumper vent, siliconed in some ducts and altered the liner. This was done to all RS3's as engineering works. If this has been done to your car it will be on their system.

 

The next thing was the 47i6 upgrade which was only implemented on compalint. Details below. I believe this utlised revised parts

 

Update-Code: 47i6

Released: 2. April 2013

Vehicules: RS3 und TTRS, alle MJ

Countires: all

Description: on complaint

a: brake caliper and pads: 8P0 698 996

b: brake disks: 8P0 615 301 B

 

I have had six new sets of discs under warranty. I had a run in with Audi UK who refused to allowed Stansted Audi to replace the discs on the fourth occassion as they said that I had been tracking the car and overheating the brakes. I had not!

 

After a few weeks of arguing they agreed to do the works FOC.

 

In answering your question about warped discs, yes in every case I experienced I had vibration through the streering under braking.

[AudiRS3]

The first update done was to try and get more air flow to the discs. Audi basically drilled more holes in the front bumper vent, siliconed in some ducts and altered the liner. This was done to all RS3's as engineering works. If this has been done to your car it will be on their system.

 

The next thing was the 47i6 upgrade which was only implemented on compalint. Details below. I believe this utlised revised parts

 

Update-Code: 47i6

Released: 2. April 2013

Vehicules: RS3 und TTRS, alle MJ

Countires: all

Description: on complaint

a: brake caliper and pads: 8P0 698 996

b: brake disks: 8P0 615 301 B

 

I have had six new sets of discs under warranty. I had a run in with Audi UK who refused to allowed Stansted Audi to replace the discs on the fourth occassion as they said that I had been tracking the car and overheating the brakes. I had not!

 

After a few weeks of arguing they agreed to do the works FOC.

 

In answering your question about warped discs, yes in every case I experienced I had vibration through the streering under braking.

 

I tell you sometimes they can be really cheeky, but the funny thing is my discs don't vibrate even when braking from 50mph to 5mph, just squeak (loudly and annoyingly) p.s. a lady in a ford KA in the tesco car park had the nerve to tell me "ooohhh that doesn't sound healthy that...." which was even more frustrating!. So I will definitely let them know about this information so thank you very much, I wonder what the problem with mine could be then?

 

how did you get around getting them FOC because Audi UK and Audi Bolton are telling me its classed as wear and tear?

[sawda]

Fyi I was quoted 850 for discs and pads by Audi Huntingdon, and just over 900 from chingford Audi... £1250 is excessive!

[AudiRS3]

either way its too much money when they've issued a brake recall for squeaks and that's what i'm trying to tell them...im going to keep firm and hopefully will have it sorted..but not holding my breath....

[AudiRS3]

that's quite a bit reasonable then what Audi quoted me originally, but I'm skeptical about getting somebody else to do it, just in terms of warranty, etc. Now your discs in your profile picture look like the updated ones, mine don't have the B suffix RS3 owners with the recall are referring too. I'm just fed up, I cant even enjoy the car without worrying about whether my front brakes are going to squeal or not. 

[matty779blue]

Hi again. They cannot hide from this. They issued a rework to address the overheating issue.

They also subsquently released the 47i6 to deal with overheating and brake squeal.

They know the standard units overheat resulting in warping etc.

How can this not be a warranty item?

 

You are more than welcome to quote my registration number to them and ask them to explain how and why they have provided me with six sets of discs and pads and two sets of calipers under warranty but wont do this for you. Incidentally i have done 55,000 miles and my car is out of warranty. They replaced the entire brake set up last week under warranty.

 

Given you have done circa 10,000 miles they shouldnt even be arguing.

 

Personally I would take it to a different dealership. Tell them the brakes are warped and squeeling, that you are aware of the following reworks and would like them done asap etc etc. Other members have reported big differences in the attitude of different dealerships. I also assume that some dealerships have more sway than others.

 

Good luck.