[AudiRS3]

I really appreciate your help Matty779blue, I will wait for their call on Tuesday and let you know the outcome, they said to me that the June 2012 model was not affected.....which is nonsense...because surely they can diagnose it. I will try Manchester Audi if all else fails, funny thing is when I refused to pay the 1250, they put my old discs and pads back on when I came to collect. when I demanded to speak to the service manager they mentioned he had finished for the day...how convenient, then Audi UK ring me to say your claims taking a little longer because the service manager at Bolton Audi has actually left the business! absolute time wasters....we pay so much for these cars and running them is no cheap ordeal but to have to put up with Audi being nitwits.....hopefully will let you know how the call goes...if all else fails I will bring up this forum thread!

[AudiRS3]

They look like the bees knees...how did you manage to keep the spiders clean? POR 15? fancy doing mine? lol   ...once I get my brakes sorted of course!

Edited by AudiRS3, 10 April 2015 - 03:00 PM.

[quink345]

Thanks Quink345, but I have read and I do not want to get my hands dirty because unfortunately I cant do with my work commitments. Its Audi's problem and they should fix it - I still stand firm on this!

 

you are 100% right AudiRs3 and I can only wish you good luck and God speed the same as was said to the master of the Titanic

[quink345]

They look like the bees knees...how did you manage to keep the spiders clean? POR 15? fancy doing mine? lol   ...once I get my brakes sorted of course!

 

just look at the cross hatch AudiRS3 and ask if they are NEW discs

[45bvtc]

I first reported seriously loud low-speed brake squeal to my dealer on 3rd February 2012; my car at that stage had done 1315-miles.  With ZERO Audi UK assistance I applied successfully my own 'fix' with Mintex self-adhesive anti-squeal brake shims - and posted... 

 

Applying the same 'fix' successfully to a fair number of RS3 and TTRS owner cars I reported this/my 'fix' to Audi UK.  Followed a meeting the then MD (Martin Sander) of Audi UK at Goodwood on 12 July 2013 I fiercely discussed/argued this particular issue at some length; and with the NEW Audi RSQ3 alongside with 'wave' brake discs, etc; asking why the change for the RSQ3 from the then RS3 arrangement...

 

Martin Sander made it quite clear to me that any changes/upgrade were at the discretion of Audi GmbH and NOT Audi UK, period; and any of you senior manager/director level people will understand that/his position i.e., the MD of Audi UK is an instrument of Audi GmbH!  Please UNDERSTAND THIS relationship.

 

Following and reluctantly I agreed to a 47i6 upgrade (along with a FREE second service, of course), cautioning Martin Sander that "if it didn't solve my problem I'd be knocking on his Milton Keynes office door."  Unfortunately for me, but fortunate for Martin, Martin gained an upgrade to become MD of whatever in the USA...

 

Martin was indeed fortunate as my 47i6 brakes again developed low-speed brake squeal at 1250miles post fit (Daveb1970 is making sense here...  and I'm now 100% with his theory/explanation)

 

I again resolved the low-speed brake-squeal issue using Brembo stainless-steel anti-squeal shims and standard Audi/Brembo brake pads.

 

Many will know that I continued to evaluate a number of EBC brake pads with some but not complete satisfaction.

 

Post ALL I'm back to STD Audi 47i6 pads with the Brembo anti-squeal shims.  DIRTY but the braking is GOOD!

 

TODAY: I firmly believe that any correspondence with Audi UK and or any of their dealers is a complete and utter waste of time with which at this time the 8P RS3 is an old/dead and/or non-current motor car.

 

The 8P RS3 is what you have and if you've low-speed brake squeal then you'd better get over it as any Audi UK dealership is going to be sympathetic but ineffective at getting your problem sorted.  OK, I accept, there may be a few successes but in the main get over it and do your own thing.

 

The Brembo anti-squeal shims on STD Audi/Brembo/Pagid pads (please go read all of the previous posts to learn...) does the job for both high-road speed applications and low-road-speed applications and to that end Audi UK/GmbH have done their job.

 

I like the write ups from Veneeringman; I know him and understand where he's coming from; his 'on-the-road' feedback is invaluable.

 

I like too Daveb1970's input and wish I had the same technical, hands-on, day-to-day, knowledge as him; though I do understand much of what he says and having near 50-years hands-on experience find it so interesting and exciting and thoughtful and valuable.

 

For me, much of what Daveb1970 has said is true, I don't brake hard enough!  At a recent Silverstone Experience Day, and Veneeringman was there, so knows, we were told in no uncertain terms by 'experts' that "we don't brake hard enough".

 

I'll never forget the 'professional' standing out in the rain demonstrating to me how I should be STAMPING! On the brake pedal of that Audi R8 V10 Plus at 100mph and then going LEFT to RIGHT...  just to experience the ABS.  And I thought I was, honest...

 

So I've popped my STD 47i6 brake pads back-in and am STAMPING on 'em a bit more...

 

All is quiet!  Dusty?  Yes!  But QUIET. 

 

EBC REDStuff was noisy.  EBC YELLOWStuff was horrendously noisy (for me)!  STD Audi/47i6 is OK!  I just need to practice using 'em 'HARDER'.

 

Maybe it was me after all...

[45bvtc]

To precis that above diatribe: USE YOUR BRAKES HARDER!

 

This brake distortion CR*P can be resolved similarly: I doubt very much that ANYONE has brake-disc distortion/warp but they will have composite build-up on the brake disc and it's THAT that's vibrating throught the pedal...

 

Sorry...  But a brake disc rarely distorts.

 

In TRUTH we're going shopping (5 to 0-mph) with a car developed for FUN on the Nurnbergring....

[Uncle Fester]

Are they redstuff pads in your Avatar Photo Sean?

[matty779blue]

I couldnt agree more. The term warping would suggest that the disc had physically distroted. This is not the case and it is pad residue that has essentially melted onto the disc face.I certianly use the term warping loosely. I have found the only solution is to skim the disc and no amount of hard braking gets rid of the composite build up. 

 

 

To precis that above diatribe: USE YOUR BRAKES HARDER!

 

This brake distortion CR*P can be resolved similarly: I doubt very much that ANYONE has brake-disc distortion/warp but they will have composite build-up on the brake disc and it's THAT that's vibrating throught the pedal...

 

Sorry...  But a brake disc rarely distorts.

 

In TRUTH we're going shopping (5 to 0-mph) with a car developed for FUN on the Nurnbergring....

[Uncle Fester]

I'm thinking of having a brake pad yard sale

Red stuff

Yellow stuff

Come and get em.......

Low miles one careful owner.

[daveb1970]

Just a point of order chaps, the discs are actually shocking...we've did some testing with the laser at Oulton. Basically one side runs about 80 degrees hotter than the other and the AP kit we do runs 100 degrees cooler than the cool one!

The general consensus is that pretty much over 343mm (13.5" inch in old money) we need to have some sort of floating arrangement at least radially, the disc is also quite skinny at 32mm thick when you consider its diameter at 370mm, the air gap isn't great either. That energy simply has nowhere to go

They can't cope fast road never mind a track day, they'll do about 4 laps at Oulton Park and then they'll be toast

They're made by Zimmerman, a contact at GMBH Let it slip they give £30 a pair for them...probably £25 too much

[Uncle Fester]

[Uncle Fester]

Just a point of order chaps, the discs are actually shocking...we've did some testing with the laser at Oulton. Basically one side runs about 80 degrees hotter than the other and the AP kit we do runs 100 degrees cooler than the cool one!

The general consensus is that pretty much over 343mm (13.5" inch in old money) we need to have some sort of floating arrangement at least radially, the disc is also quite skinny at 32mm thick when you consider its diameter at 370mm, the air gap isn't great either. That energy simply has nowhere to go

They can't cope fast road never mind a track day, they'll do about 4 laps at Oulton Park and then they'll be toast

They're made by Zimmerman, a contact at GMBH Let it slip they give £30 a pair for them...probably £25 too much

What you're saying is the brakes aren't up to the job,so whats a new set up that's actually up to the job cost?

Edited by DAYTONA-500, 11 April 2015 - 07:56 AM.

[Paul]

Very interesting posts guys, keep it coming.

Crewe Audi offer the RS3 or different offset TTRS rotors for £399 a set via eBay which was considered "cheap" , but not considering the mark up from above!


Fingers crossed, mine have been ok, still on originals, but only covered 7k in just under 3 years.

I thought I had left brake costs behind.

I spent quite a bit over 10 years on 2 modded S3's with Porsche 993 Bi -Turbo 4 pot 322mm "big reds". ( Also Brembo calipers)

My brakes used to squeal ( I was using oem Porsche Textar pads) until I fitted the clip in caliper shims (36/44mm pistons )

Probably similar design as Dave B mentioned earlier they physically clip into the caliper pockets and bond onto the rear of the pads and pull the pad back, when piston returns.

[Uncle Fester]

[Paul]

I'm planning to pop in and catch up with Ed in coming weeks

I'm done on changing entire brake kits including calipers.
Been there and done it. Spent £xxxx's on the kit and 10 years maintaining them. AmD /APS
With the benefit of hindsight, I vowed not to go down that route again.

I like the look of the Loba/AP rotor set up, If I develop any issues and its a keeper they might be an option, although still a hefty investment, and no mention of suggested pad combination.

- Once LOBA system is in place, simply replace the AP rotor when needed.

I'd like to hear some owner reviews before I even considered taking the plunge.

Edited by Paul, 10 April 2015 - 09:39 PM.

[AudiRS3]

I once saw an RS3 with a Lamborghini brake set up it was insane....no doubt brakes are a massive issue. I shudder to think of what the new RS3 will be like. I'm taking this up with Audi UK (currently under investigation) but seriously upset and disappointed that us RS3 owners have to worry about bloody brakes for all things. We should be talking about how the RS3 is the most superior hatch on the road....C63 and an RS4 have both been smoked at the lights at least up to 110mph on the Eccles drag strip! I'm surprised because although brakes seem to be working fine....my discs aren't vibrating on the OEM set up just squeal when I come to a stop. Proper mick take...will let you folks know how I get on! But one thing is for sure that since joining this forum I realised how helpful you guys are and it's good to know I'm not the only one with these problems. Much love x

[Vito]

I'm planning to pop in and catch up with Ed in coming weeks
I'm done on changing entire brake kits including calipers.
Been there and done it. Spent £xxxx's on the kit and 10 years maintaining them. AmD /APS
With the benefit of hindsight, I vowed not to go down that route again.
I like the look of the Loba/AP rotor set up, If I develop any issues and its a keeper they might be an option, although still a hefty investment, and no mention of suggested pad combination.
- Once LOBA system is in place, simply replace the AP rotor when needed.
I'd like to hear some owner reviews before I even considered taking the plunge.

With the Loba/AP discs set up the recomended pads are the Pagids RS 4-2 (daveb favourites...)
I have these pads on my RS3 in combination with the OEM discs, they don't come cheap at about £240 compared to other ones, but they have totally transformed my brakes. They have been on for 6 months and done about 4000 mls and still working extremely good, the only snag is the squeal that I get from time to time.

Edited by Vito, 11 April 2015 - 01:31 AM.

[Vito]

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[daveb1970]

We manufacture all Loba brake products, one of my shareholders is the largest AP distributor in the EU, I personally assembled those rotors in the top pic, all my own work....

They're just not cheap, nothing from AP is

The Lamborghini setup,mentioned above is all our stuff it's what we do, I'd only really advocate buying expensive discs if you need them that's to say a regular track day user.

I'm forever getting calls about a TTRS3 BBK but its truly the last thing the car needs, it just needs a decent disc/pad combo which in the context of this thread is how it should have left the factory.

There's plenty of accounts on the Internet about our disc assemblies doing 100 lap days over 5 sessions with some very exotic pad material, there's a picture of some guy at the F1 circuit at the ring with our assemblies glowing cherry red using Project Mu pads, he drove home on those and afterwards to Sainsburys with zero Ill effects

Whilst in some ways irrelevant to the thread it highlights I'd have no sleepless nights about manufacturing brakes to do track days, getting you lads to work and back in traffic with no squeal and OEM levels of noise vibration and harshness expected from a £50k Audi fills me with dread.

Edited by daveb1970, 11 April 2015 - 04:03 AM.

[Pat]

I once saw an RS3 with a Lamborghini brake set up it was insane....no doubt brakes are a massive issue. I shudder to think of what the new RS3 will be like. I'm taking this up with Audi UK (currently under investigation) but seriously upset and disappointed that us RS3 owners have to worry about bloody brakes for all things. We should be talking about how the RS3 is the most superior hatch on the road....C63 and an RS4 have both been smoked at the lights at least up to 110mph on the Eccles drag strip! I'm surprised because although brakes seem to be working fine....my discs aren't vibrating on the OEM set up just squeal when I come to a stop. Proper mick take...will let you folks know how I get on! But one thing is for sure that since joining this forum I realised how helpful you guys are and it's good to know I'm not the only one with these problems. Much love x

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This is set up I'm having supplied by Dave....front Discs from R8 GT racer I'm told, AM Vantage 6 pot calipers front...
Rears are Boxter 4 pot
Bells are made just for us RS3ers
Painted calipers not correct colour yet, will be more vibrant orange/red
Pad choice.....I'll just go with what Yoda recommends for the road or track as I believe in utilising those that know.....and believe me I don't know !!
Oh and I'm getting spare set of discs and bells for any track days or to change over in years to come