[RivieraRS3]

Sorry to be abit dumb but would it need to go to revo for this or can you just switch it via the revo options?

[marshy]

If the car required warranty on engine or drivetrain that was not a normal failure then there's the chance the car would be connected to Germany who would pick the remap.
It's very doubtful if the dealer would notice it.

[terminator x]

Yes it can.

 

If the car goes in to Audi, the Audi map would need to be put back on if warranty is a concern.

Apparently they can spot ECU changes though so even if switched back there is a risk of detection.

 

TX.

[pxl109]

Yes that's my understanding also - the ecu has a 'flash' counter which increments every time the ecu is flashed. Not something I know from experience, just what I was told by the guy who did my revo. Obviously if it has an Audi map on it but shows it's had 3 flashes, they can't say it was anything other than Audi


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[RivieraRS3]

So what options are there for non detection? Dtuk box?

[nervus]

So what options are there for non detection? Dtuk box?

MTM M-Cantronic, is also undetectable. I believe that the ABT and Oettinger are similar in concept.

[Mltyson89]

Just assume everything is detectable but the RS3 engine is capable of kicking out much more with a stage one map in reality I doubt you would have any dramas at all. My stage 2+ Scirocco R was kicking out nearly 100hp more than stock only drama I had in the 3 years of ownership was a uprated clutch being needed after 25k which is to be expected when pushing out the extra power.

[Mikers4]

I run stage 2 on my RS3 with no drama and it's a revo map.

My car run standard 355 Bhp

Stage 1 400 Bhp can't remember torque and it's not been on the dyno for stage 2 but should be about 420 Bhp with 400 in-ft torque

Edited by Mikers4, 26 January 2016 - 11:31 PM.

[kaalepson]

Hi! I have also been considering to revo map mine. Especially torque increase is tempting. My impression is that revo is reliable. However, I think there is no guarantee one can buy, like the one that abt offers. A revo dealer here says that there is no such thing as an undetectable ecu software; if Audi wants to detect it, they have their ways to find out (e.g. in case of warranty issues).

[Styxz]

Hi! I have also been considering to revo map mine. Especially torque increase is tempting. My impression is that revo is reliable. However, I think there is no guarantee one can buy, like the one that abt offers. A revo dealer here says that there is no such thing as an undetectable ecu software; if Audi wants to detect it, they have their ways to find out (e.g. in case of warranty issues).

Try MTM as their ecu remap is cheaper than ABT but also has a warranty covering anything Audi don't.

[Mltyson89]

DMS are supposedly undetectable email them for more info! 

[Louilongcat2015]

A friend of mine has had his 8V S3 revo'd he was told by his guy that if you are friendly enough with who ever installed the map they can put it back to complete factory settings and it isn't supposed to be detectable. The problem would then be putting it back in and their time which they may charge for. Also if it goes bang you would struggle to get the map taken out before going Audi. He has put it in to Audi for minor things like a bulb replacement and they plugged it in without asking and they said nothing about it being mapped. Depends who you speak to I think, I know a few dealer techs and some say that a flag pops up the min it's been plugged in to say something has changed but again my mates has been fine so far!

[Styxz]

There's plenty of posts under each different tuner company about the pro's and cons of each type of map.

Don't fool yourself....Audi can detect any map if they want to or if they have to when faced with a large warranty claim.

MK1 ownership has taught us a lot, hence the new breed of "piggy back" ecu maps for the MK2 that ABT, MTM and Oetingger currently offer. DTUK box does much the same. These attach in-line to the existing wiring harness so can be removed in minutes.

I believe that all 3 now offer a full ecu remap (extra power/torque that the above can't produce) but it will involve opening up your ecu, although at least the MK2 ecu is very accessible now. With these "hard" maps all 3 companies offer an additional warranty that covers any engine or gearbox warranty work that Audi don't cover.

Other reputable maps you should look at are Revo, APR and MRC. All have valuable knowledge and experience of mapping/tuning the 5 cyl engine and RS3 drive train. mk1's have issues with squealing front brakes, propshaft bolts and haldex pumps. Mk2's so far have issues with rear suspension mounts and my rusty rear brake discs lol

I hope this helps, I'm currently running the MTM Cantronic unit but upgrading soon to the full map/warranty. Either-way, I'd recommend either.

[wilobach]

I work at a main dealer, even a service light turn off will detect a map now, as the diagnostic system has been updated beginning of the year to do what we call a TD1 check which is a software tuning check, and will automatically update Audi's records it does not specifically check for checksums now but other things, i put my revo map to standard and it did not detect it, but they are developing the system, just to give you guys a heads up


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[Paul]

One of the factors i hadn't fully understood when researching the different mapping companies was that the Revo 'stock' map isn't back to 'Audi stock' - it is just Revo's version of the standard Audi map. If the car needs to go in to Audi and you are a bit twitchy about warranty etc, the company that maps it (pushes the Revo flash) needs to revert it back to Audi stock, however i believe it increments a counter that states how many times it has been flashed. Don't quote me on this last sentence, it is simply how i interpreted a technical explanation..

This is how I understood it, I was an early adopter or Revo in 2002 on 2 of my S3's with SPS device.

Revo Standard vs Audi Standard , & flash count must be a consideration given the post by wilobach above, and the latest checks Audi now do.

Edited by Paul, 09 February 2016 - 08:51 PM.

[T-800]

Rick @ unicorn developments explained to me in detail about the TD1 and the way it's flagged up.
He knows his work inside out does Rick.

[kaalepson]

Hi! I have also been considering to revo map mine. Especially torque increase is tempting. My impression is that revo is reliable. However, I think there is no guarantee one can buy, like the one that abt offers. A revo dealer here says that there is no such thing as an undetectable ecu software; if Audi wants to detect it, they have their ways to find out (e.g. in case of warranty issues).

Although I am going to wait until the next May or so (as then guaranteed no snow on the roads), I am already pondering the options for ecu tuning. I would go for REVO in a blink of an eye (reputable, good performance I've heard, and the price offered 1050 € including sps for 3 different programs), if it wasn't a non-machine-warranty option. However, the REVO dealer here claims that there hasn't been a single machine warranty case (globally) during the last 10 years of his business.

It also seems there are many satisfied MTM M-Cantronic users here; this one offers a machine warranty, but is twice the price of REVO. Is this a one of those you call "piggyback"... And, although quite trivial, it's 0-200 time is 14+ secs, which is not very convincing. Furthermore, it delivers its max torque up from 1925 Umin, compared to 1625 Umin of stock (don't know how this is with REVO), if that actually is any of importance as the flip side of the coin. But MTM does need 300 higher rpm that stock.

ABT is very expensive, 4550 € plus, I think, if you want the warranty, it costs some extra (although that is peanuts if a big warranty issue presents itself). Not quite sure about the extra cost of warranty, though. Is the performance worth the price?

Then there is the DTUK box, which is around the same price as REVO map. Somehow doesn't appeal to me...

Btw, in case a motor wash is needed, I think a piggyback device must be removed, or am I wrong?

A tough decision!




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[kaalepson]

No comment on that above, anyone?

There's a YouTube clip by Automann-TV (2016 Audi RS3 367hp 0-250 launch control publ on 23-JAN-2016), in which apparently a stock RS3 makes 0-100 km/h in 3,9 secs and 0-200 in 14,0 secs. Cannot tell how official those timings are, though. However, makes me wonder if tuning is worth the money and "trouble" in the first place, considering the loss of the manufacturer's guarantee.

But then again, having had the previous tuning experiences and their effect on road runnability (increased torque)...

Very ambivalent!


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Edited by kaalepson, 14 February 2016 - 09:47 AM.

[nervus]

No comment on that above, anyone?
There's a YouTube clip by Automann-TV (2016 Audi RS3 367hp 0-250 launch control publ on 23-JAN-2016), in which apparently a stock RS3 makes 0-100 km/h in 3,9 secs and 0-200 in 14,0 secs. Cannot tell how official those timings are, though. However, makes me wonder if tuning is worth the money and "trouble" in the first place, considering the loss of the manufacturer's guarantee.
But then again, having had the previous tuning experiences and their effect on road runnability (increased torque)...
Very ambivalent!
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I've got the MTM and tried launching with a view to recording some times. With sport mode engaged, the wheels try to spin but then the traction control interferes and the whole drivetrain bounces the car up and dowm - feels like i've broken something :-/

I turned the traction control fully off and now it jsat wheel spins and loses time getting off the line - useless!!!

[terminator x]

^^ Interesting as standard car LC catapults the car up the road! I've used it once and it was staggering 

 

TX.