[Hal]

The 16 on the part number refers to the overall track width so 8mm each side.
The spacers are hubcentric and also have the extension lip for the wheel to sit on.
I’ve bit the bullet and ordered some bolts with floating washers to see if it makes any difference.
A pic of my spacers below

OK these are correct for the Rotor wheel. I still cannot see how five bolts, all the same, can build in a vibration on these!

 

I did not know that HR itemised their spacers by track - but I can see it now due to the TRAK+ name they give them. I have always used SCC

[Quattro]

Well last night I refitted the spacers and I initially secured them with the original bolts which only secure about 2 threads, I then removed 1 bolt at a time and fitted the h&r ones.
My run to work this morning didn’t show any vibration although I was still fairly sleepy at 4:45am
I’ll try again in the way home tonight.

[Quattro]

Just an update on this.
As I said previously I ordered a set of 36mm bolts with floating washer R13 seat.
Fitted them and the car is silky smooth again, I’ve since fitted another set of 8mm on the rear and all is still good.
Not sure if the logic behind it but in my case it had 100% solved the problem.
Might be helpful for anyone else who suffers the same problem.

[Hal]

Good news!

 

Now I see your problem when you mentioned the R13 bit. I went back to your first photo and think I can see that the radius of the bolt you first used is not R13! I think you had a mercedes bolt which, would you believe, are different!

 

I assume (and assumed) that you told H&R what car the original set of bolts was for, yes?

[Quattro]

The bolts and spacers were ordered as separate items through carparts4less.
The part number of the bolt ordered does show as a VW/Audi part but I have found some people advertise it as a R12 bolt and others R13.
Just really happy that it’s resolved now

[Hal]

Out of interest, what was the part number you ordered?

[Quattro]

The first set of bolts I used were h&r part number 1453503

The set I now have fitted I ordered from a company in Germany which cost £40 for 20 instead of the £6 each h&r wanted.

[Hal]

Yes, those are an Audi seat, In the picture it looks different to the oem one, especially the seat mark. It may have been just a small bit of crud behing the wheel though. Main thing is that it is sorted

[red14]

Hi are you sure these are hub centric? Way back when I had a similar problem it was down to the wheels not seating properly on the spacers or something like that. Apologies if this has been discussed I’m not here much these days! T800 usually has all the best answers though.

[T-800]

Hi are you sure these are hub centric? Way back when I had a similar problem it was down to the wheels not seating properly on the spacers or something like that. Apologies if this has been discussed I’m not here much these days! T800 usually has all the best answers though.

These are Hubcentric Red14.

It turned out to be a bolt Radius seat issue.

[JamesBaby]

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If that fits fine, I suspect something is not right with the bolts. If the oem bolts have collars on them, the extended ones should too. 

 

 

I'm sure I read somewhere that the OEM wheels need bolts with the rings on them due to the actual PCD of the wheels. Can't recall where though. 

 

Like i suggested earlier, the oem wheels are not a normal pcd, and require bolts with washers. 

[RS3Dell]

Like i suggested earlier, the oem wheels are not a normal pcd, and require bolts with washers. 

James.

The 112mm pcd is normal for all Audis since the 80s when there were 4 stud.

As for the radius bolt seat that may be another story mate.

Dell.

[JamesBaby]

James.

The 112mm pcd is normal for all Audis since the 80s when there were 4 stud.

As for the radius bolt seat that may be another story mate.

Dell.

 

 Not the hub, the wheels are different I said.

[JamesBaby]

See here the KW kit. Note their comments on the type of bolts needed for the OEM wheels:

 

https://www.awesomeg...-rs3-8v-12-5mm/

 

The new spacer package for the RS3 is designed to bring out the OEM wheels to fill the arches, the kit consists of four 12.5mm spacer discs and four of the new revolutionary ST adapters which helps eliminate wheel wobble with its near perfect centering ability. As the RS3 uses a loose ball bolt fitment it is vital when using spacers on the OE wheels that these are used in a longer form to suit the spacer (included in the kit). To keep the bespoke RS3 wheels secure the kit also includes four locking wheel bolts.

[T-800]

When i enquired about the bolt situation for 8mm spacers, a bolt manufacturer / specialist told me the 2 piece bolt on OEM alloys could be swapped for a single piece bolt with no issues.

 

He said the only stipulation was that the radius seat be R13 and of similar width across (no narrower) 

 

If wheels are used of a different PCD than 112 then a 'wobble' type bolt could be used as the radius seat on those has more sideways play.

[RS3Dell]

Like i suggested earlier, the oem wheels are not a normal pcd, and require bolts with washers.

James.


The pcd is the fixing bolt hole configuration of the wheel mate.

Dell.

Edited by RS3Dell, 17 October 2018 - 08:56 AM.

[T-800]

James.


The pcd is the fixing bolt hole configuration of the wheel mate.

Dell.

Agreed Dell as you said earlier 112 PCD for a good few years now.

If a wheel bolt manufacturer tells me there’s no difference for a road car between them then I’ll take that.

He did recommend that anyone with half an ounce of common sense check their wheel torques regular anyway, it’s good practice and I’m inclined to agree.

[JamesBaby]

When i enquired about the bolt situation for 8mm spacers, a bolt manufacturer / specialist told me the 2 piece bolt on OEM alloys could be swapped for a single piece bolt with no issues.

 

He said the only stipulation was that the radius seat be R13 and of similar width across (no narrower) 

 

They were clearly incorrect then. Many suppliers state clearly the need for the special wheel bolts for correct fitment of these OEM wheels. Even ECS Tuning state it on their site. The fact that KW's complete kit come with the special bolts , and the OP's problem was solved by the use of the special bolts says it all.

 

Note that my aftermarket wheels are on standard conical bolts which have no washers. The issue is specifically related to the OEM wheels.

[T-800]

They were clearly incorrect then. Many suppliers state clearly the need for the special wheel bolts for correct fitment of these OEM wheels. Even ECS Tuning state it on their site. The fact that KW's complete kit come with the special bolts , and the OP's problem was solved by the use of the special bolts says it all.

Note that my aftermarket wheels are on standard conical bolts which have no washers. The issue is specifically related to the OEM wheels.

My H&R spacers came with single piece longer bolts and I’ve no vibration issues.

[JamesBaby]

James.


The pcd is the fixing bolt hole configuration of the wheel mate.

Dell.

 

I agree that the hub is 5x112 standard Audi spec.

 

Re the wheels I' not sure. The need for special bolts on OEM rotors casts doubt on this for the wheels themselves.