[Irfy]

I really should start my own thread when I have time but here's my power graph.

First is stock car running 97 ron Esso SUL.

Second is APR map and Milltek pipes. Running Tesco Momentum.

Third is updated APR map (they don't have a stage 2 as such yet) with Forge FMIC and Milltek downpipe with sports cats. Running Tesco Momentum.

426bhp isn't bad but the way the car drives around town is much improved. Turbo spoils up sooner and there's more torque lower down.

Edited by Irfy, 29 March 2017 - 12:29 PM.

[Caney]

I really should start my own thread when I have time but here's my power graph.
First is stock car running 97 ron Esso SUL.
Second is APR map and Milltek pipes. Running Tesco Momentum.
Third is updated APR map (they don't have a stage 2 as such yet) with Forge FMIC and Milltek downpipe with sports cats. Running Tesco Momentum.
426bhp isn't bad but the way the car drives around town is much improved. Turbo spoils up sooner and there's more torque lower down.

is it still quiet in comfort mode with milltek downpipe?Btw with those mods you should be 440/450bhp

Edited by Caney, 29 March 2017 - 07:04 PM.

[Shaunee]

Caney,

Probably worth noting the APR tune is generic. Not like the custom maps you and I have.  

 

Also since different dyno's can give different figures, the actual "measure" is hard to judge between different tunes and dynos.  Personally I don't rate Dynojet rollers either.  

 

Above all that's why we have drag strips!     The bullshit stops when the flag drops. 

[invisiblekid]

is it still quiet in comfort mode with milltek downpipe?Btw with those mods you should be 440/450bhp

 

All depends on the delta. You can say test car A makes 440-450bhp, but as stock was one of those 'strong cars' (read: optimistic dyno) and makes circa 400bhp then the delta is 40-50bhp.

 

You can see that the car above made 356 as standard (albeit with crap fuel, but 97 to 99 isn't worth 50hp). Therefore his delta is 70bhp and isn't running a proper Stage 2 yet to take true advantage of his mods. I'm sure APR will tease out a little more.

 

That torque seems very high though and inconsistent.

 

Shaunee is right, measure the ET, Trap and 100-200kph for true bench marks.

 

 

The bullshit stops when the flag drops. 

 

 

Great quote!

[invisiblekid]

I just waiting for Revo Stage 2 to come out in the next couple of weeks then I'll be fitting a downpipe (possibly decat) and Wagner FMIC.

 

I've already fitted secondary decats - great improvement to noise, not sure there's any major performance gains though.

 

My Stage 1 map made 100ft/lbs and 80bhp gains in the midrange and around 45bhp & 50ft/lbs peak increase.

 

Anyone running a full decat system with stock cat back? How's the noise?

Edited by invisiblekid, 29 March 2017 - 08:36 PM.

[Caney]

 
I've already fitted secondary decats - great improvement to noise, not sure there's any major performance gains though.
 
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[RS3Dell]

It may not count but im running a full down pipe to back box decated standard system on a 8P and the noise is not very loud in sports mode inside the car 

Edited by RS3Dell, 29 March 2017 - 10:45 PM.

[Betaone]

I just waiting for Revo Stage 2 to come out in the next couple of weeks then I'll be fitting a downpipe (possibly decat) and Wagner FMIC.

 

I've already fitted secondary decats - great improvement to noise, not sure there's any major performance gains though.

 

My Stage 1 map made 100ft/lbs and 80bhp gains in the midrange and around 45bhp & 50ft/lbs peak increase.

 

Anyone running a full decat system with stock cat back? How's the noise?

Pending Stage 2 Official Release REVO (currently there is only beta version ... the one that give the test on some cars to test reliability ') I installed cat sports Miltek REVO internship 1+ (intermediate version which includes use cat sporting or decat ). I was but 'very disappointed. I did not expect any performance increase so 'significant obvious even to drive but certainly not expect a decrease in performance. In second and third will not paste + the seat and also at high speed it seems to have lost something. I did check again from retailer REVO if the map version that was loaded for 98 octane ... everything seems ok but cars do not go.

Note to cat sports Miltek ... makes much less noise than eliminating secondary cat (something acceptable even if there were brilliant performance) ...

If short-REVO not release stage 2 lighthouse 'recharge stage 1 leaving sports cat Miltek and if not I will be' happy to put back the original cat.

[JayRS3]

Oem gutted downpipe for sale - make sure you check out my thread haha £210 delivered

[rocketer]

Pending Stage 2 Official Release REVO (currently there is only beta version ... the one that give the test on some cars to test reliability ') I installed cat sports Miltek REVO internship 1+ (intermediate version which includes use cat sporting or decat ). I was but 'very disappointed. I did not expect any performance increase so 'significant obvious even to drive but certainly not expect a decrease in performance. In second and third will not paste + the seat and also at high speed it seems to have lost something. I did check again from retailer REVO if the map version that was loaded for 98 octane ... everything seems ok but cars do not go.

Note to cat sports Miltek ... makes much less noise than eliminating secondary cat (something acceptable even if there were brilliant performance) ...

If short-REVO not release stage 2 lighthouse 'recharge stage 1 leaving sports cat Miltek and if not I will be' happy to put back the original cat.

 

So oem dp with cat is better than Milltek dp with sportcat? How can it be possible with better flow in Milltek parts or am I thinking wrong here?

[RS3Dell]

As ive posted above with a fully decated OEM exhaust system ,HPFP,FMIC with a custom remap im running 443PS with 768Nm in a 8P RS !

 

Shaunne is running much higher PS in his standard by custom remapped 8V so its not all about the down pipe/exhaust system, it is really about the mapping on the OEM turbo  !

[Shaunee]

Different tuners take different approaches, which can result in different outcomes. No one way is the absolute right way.

When you start to achieve good real world performance the dyno figures, peak and area under the curve start to take a back seat imo.

Stage 1 & 2 for me was about taking a staged approach to find out what works well. That didn't mean that I just did everything.

Is there more performance to be had if I put a full decatted system on, induction kit, DSG remap etc. Who knows. But I would suggest these are not needed at this level.

I'll take the same approach for Stage 3, but in reality the gloves will come off for that development. I want that 10s quarter!

I'm a strong believer that the quality and reliability of the map is the core part of any upgrade process. It's the glue that holds it all together, and underpins the whole package.

[invisiblekid]

Pending Stage 2 Official Release REVO (currently there is only beta version ... the one that give the test on some cars to test reliability ') I installed cat sports Miltek REVO internship 1+ (intermediate version which includes use cat sporting or decat ). I was but 'very disappointed. I did not expect any performance increase so 'significant obvious even to drive but certainly not expect a decrease in performance. In second and third will not paste + the seat and also at high speed it seems to have lost something. I did check again from retailer REVO if the map version that was loaded for 98 octane ... everything seems ok but cars do not go.

Note to cat sports Miltek ... makes much less noise than eliminating secondary cat (something acceptable even if there were brilliant performance) ...

If short-REVO not release stage 2 lighthouse 'recharge stage 1 leaving sports cat Miltek and if not I will be' happy to put back the original cat.

 

Interesting feedback. Let's see what happens with the main release.

 

But the Russian test video of a 100-200kph in 7.8s (V-Box) suggests there's a fair bit of improvement. 

[Shaunee]

Interesting feedback. Let's see what happens with the main release.

But the Russian test video of a 100-200kph in 7.8s (V-Box) suggests there's a fair bit of improvement.

And if those figures are achieved in the UK on our pump fuel in a full weight 8V I'll eat my hat.

That 100-200kph time for full trim RS3 8V is 500+bhp territory.

[rocketer]

I am a little sceptic at these russians numbers and have seen many strange videos with odd results that doesn't match.

About the downpipe for instance Millteks racecat should have less restriction, bigger pipe with better flow so how can it do nothing in numbers of bhp? I don't get it and spoke earlier with a well known tuner here and dp is the first and best part of the exhaust to swap out to for instance Millteks + remap and you guys are saying it doesn't give anything or worse or was it just a dp swap and nothing more?

[Shaunee]

I'm not personally saying there is no benefit as I haven't tried it yet to conclude that. I'm just suggesting it's not an absolute must for this level of tune.

EGT's are well in check on my tune, and I'm not sure low down punch, turbo spool, torque and peak power are wanting for more in reality.

Personally I think these normal drive in and drive out packages are a balance between performance and cost.

[Betaone]

Interesting feedback. Let's see what happens with the main release.

 

But the Russian test video of a 100-200kph in 7.8s (V-Box) suggests there's a fair bit of improvement. 

I believe that the differences on my car are more attributable to the difference map stage 1 and stage 1+. I am still amazed when my car has lost performance by mounting sport cat miltek and revo stage 1+. Next Saturday, I should be able to try an beta stage . If you do not convince me return to my configuration I was ultra happy. I also notice that the cat sound sport miltek is much less than the original cat + secondary decat.

[rocketer]

I believe that the differences on my car are more attributable to the difference map stage 1 and stage 1+. I am still amazed when my car has lost performance by mounting sport cat miltek and revo stage 1+. Next Saturday, I should be able to try an beta stage . If you do not convince me return to my configuration I was ultra happy. I also notice that the cat sound sport miltek is much less than the original cat + secondary decat.

But is it a remap as mapping with a standalone real unit or just a flash file as sw? Usually when changing to better flow exhaust, whole exhaust, dp, catback etc with a real remap mapping unit you can feel the differences and hear its sounding more sporty etc.