[Benno]

I used to own a DC2 Integra the Holy Grail of FWD cars. It understeered like a b*tch ... in the rain on very small roundabouts. Read in to that what you will.

 

TX.

you cannot drive?

 

After driving mine home from the daily grind that I call work never once do I notice any front end lardy issues.....

It does make me wonder how some people are treating their cars if they find them nose heavy on public roads......

Maybe they don't do the daily grind and go munch mountains for fun? Maybe they actually push the car? Maybe they add camber to AWD turbos for fun? (not that you can do that to RS3's without swapping out the LCA's)

[Benno]

It's easy enough to replicate on hard corners on the OEM tyres, but I have to say I'd struggle to elicit it on the Michelins.

seriously? are you joking? Or by hard you mean you struggle with them?

[Benno]

I wonder if we have Audi employees in this thread? Why would Audi bother with weight savings mainly over front axel if the car did not understeer? Or do you guys oversteer the RS3 with your mad carting skills?

 

Yes you really need to push and yes you need to be able to drive AWD to understand the balance, but it still pushes. Traction off makes a difference, but still. Interesting thread and I hope you all don't get too upset that I posted again.

Edited by Benno, 15 February 2017 - 05:49 AM.

[T-800]

you cannot drive?

 

Maybe they don't do the daily grind and go munch mountains for fun? Maybe they actually push the car? Maybe they add camber to AWD turbos for fun? (not that you can do that to RS3's without swapping out the LCA's)

Maybe so 

Maybe not

 

Maybe i don't care..........

[terminator x]

Tame racing driver alert.

TX.

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[T-800]

Tame racing driver alert.

TX.

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Hand your license back in John, you clearly cannot drive the RS3 to it's full potential on UK roads..........

 

I've already sent mine back as a detour via some welsh roads everyday coming home from work is far too risky........

[SW43]

Benno, chill. I think I'm right and you think you're right. Tippytoes has caught me out with an error in my thinking, I hold my hands up to that! We don't have to agree. Obviously I'm nearly Lewis Hamilton / Colin McRae all rolled in to one - don't you realise that? 😂

Filled up with fuel yesterday - I'll be careful I don't spin off at the first roundabout with the extra 50kg over the rear axle!

[Uncle Fester]

Serious question, if you want lighter why not just sell up and buy something lighter?

TX.

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You've hit the nail on the head, for modifying or wanting to modify any car to that extent they've obviously got the wrong car .

[Uncle Fester]

[deepspacemillar]

seriously? are you joking? Or by hard you mean you struggle with them?

 

I'm not sure what you're getting at. I was broadly agreeing with you. All I meant was I got understeer easily enough when pushing on when the OEM Pirelli's were on the front.
Now that I'm using Pilot Sport 4 S's, the limits are much, much higher, and I've yet to see the understeer creep back.

Of course, how you drive, the nature of the roads, the road surface quality, the weather and so on will determine whether my experience matches yours. It's just an anecdote.

[T-800]

You've hit the nail on the head, for modifying or wanting to modify any car to that extent they've obviously got the wrong car .

Oh,no no no no !

Audi are clearly no good at making cars full stop........


They just slap em together, then release them to us poor saps in the hope we'll totally redesign their shortcomings online......

[invisiblekid]

There's nothing wrong with modifying a car for your own purposes. We know that Audi target a mass, worldwide market and as such the cars are often dulled down to suit a broader target audience. 

 

If you want rock hard suspension for track use - then after market it is - I'm yet to see a car that doesn't handle better on Bilsteins over stock

If you want to run more boost to make more power and don't really care about 100's of thousands of miles of longevity - then up the boost

If you're not worried about uneven wear - then play around the the angles of your tyres

 

Clearly the RS3 isn't perfect so what's wrong with adjusting it to suit? Of course you can argue I've bought the wrong car - but perhaps in my mind I've bought the perfect car to tune and tinker with. 

 

It's all in the mindset. There's no right or wrong.

[SW43]

There's nothing wrong with modifying a car for your own purposes. We know that Audi target a mass, worldwide market and as such the cars are often dulled down to suit a broader target audience.

If you want rock hard suspension for track use - then after market it is - I'm yet to see a car that doesn't handle better on Bilsteins over stock
If you want to run more boost to make more power and don't really care about 100's of thousands of miles of longevity - then up the boost
If you're not worried about uneven wear - then play around the the angles of your tyres

Clearly the RS3 isn't perfect so what's wrong with adjusting it to suit? Of course you can argue I've bought the wrong car - but perhaps in my mind I've bought the perfect car to tune and tinker with.

It's all in the mindset. There's no right or wrong.

Completely agree. Well said.

[peazz]

If you didnt get understeer yet, you didnt drive hard enough. Just attacking a simple B road with a lead foot will produce it. Audis Naturally understeer. Take any corner 'fast' and you will wash wide.

I have a wagner evo3 on my car so right away thats extra weight over the front axel, already did my wheels but unsure of the unsprung saving with the carbons.

EDIT: If you are on staggered, you will notice the understeer much less..

Edited by peazz, 15 February 2017 - 10:54 AM.

[deepspacemillar]

If you didnt get understeer yet, you didnt drive hard enough. Just attacking a simple B road with a lead foot will produce it. Audis Naturally understeer. Take any corner 'fast' and you will wash wide.

I have a wagner evo3 on my car so right away thats extra weight over the front axel, already did my wheels but unsure of the unsprung saving with the carbons.

EDIT: If you are on staggered, you will notice the understeer much less..

OK cool - this makes it a bit clearer what you're looking for.

My go-to;
* the best and widest tyres you can get on the front
* get a proper 'Fast Road Setup' wheel geometry done (you should look at what you can do to camber and toe settings - camber will need aftermarket parts, but toe can make a huge difference)
* Suspension upgrades (MSS springs or something like Bilstein B16's)
* Lighten unsprung weight
* Rear ARB

Be aware that the default suspension setup has stiff front springs relative to the rear, which increases understeer.

EDIT - the list is not in any order...

Edited by deepspacemillar, 15 February 2017 - 11:10 AM.

[peazz]

OK cool - this makes it a bit clearer what you're looking for.

My go-to;
* the best and widest tyres you can get on the front
* get a proper 'Fast Road Setup' wheel geometry done (you should look at what you can do to camber and toe settings - camber will need aftermarket parts, but toe can make a huge difference)
* Suspension upgrades (MSS springs or something like Bilstein B16's)
* Lighten unsprung weight
* Rear ARB

Be aware that the default suspension setup has stiff front springs relative to the rear, which increases understeer.

EDIT - the list is not in any order...

Great advise!

[invisiblekid]

OK cool - this makes it a bit clearer what you're looking for.

My go-to;
* the best and widest tyres you can get on the front
* get a proper 'Fast Road Setup' wheel geometry done (you should look at what you can do to camber and toe settings - camber will need aftermarket parts, but toe can make a huge difference)
* Suspension upgrades (MSS springs or something like Bilstein B16's)
* Lighten unsprung weight
* Rear ARB

Be aware that the default suspension setup has stiff front springs relative to the rear, which increases understeer.

EDIT - the list is not in any order...

 

Totally agree. Aside from the wider front tyres I did all that on my 6R and it handled like it was on rails. Nothing phased it. I plan on doing something very similar to my RS3. 

 

Does anyone know if SuperPro are planning on brining out adjustable ball joints, alloy wishbones and ALK for the 8V?

[deepspacemillar]

I asked superpro exactly that, the lower control arm (aloy006k??) is apparently the equivalent of the anti lift kit and should work on the RS3 according to them.
I don't know about the ball joints however

[peazz]

I had a TT-RS with anti lift kit when I brought it, no idea what it does - anyone enlighten me?

[deepspacemillar]

Best way I can explain it is it 'pushes' your front wheels down to the road, maintaining grip. It also has some benefits from steering accuracy and play.
There isn't one made for 8v cars for whatever reason!