[Mr_Freeze]

So I came across the webpage below and discovered that the TTRS has program switching as an option in the states.
http://www.goapr.com...5tfsi_ttrs.html
Scroll to the bottom of the page.

Can anyone from APR explain why we still don't have this option over here for the 3?

Ps, also this advert from Redline, which is dated October 2013
http://www.redlinesp...ine-speed-worx/

Edited by Mr_Freeze, 21 December 2014 - 11:09 AM.

[Wayne@AWESOME]

Its based a lot on the type and version of the ECU in the car; for example some of the earlier TTRS cars have program switching (think circa 2010/2011) however we have yet to come across an RS3 that has the same ECU and version.

Truth is, APR in the US are working as best as they can to get program switching and APR Mobile done for as many of the cars as they can but they are currently focused more on getting the later model car software out.

Ill ask the question again though

[red14]

Cash ready - but only if I can buy this upgrade! I'm not interested in hauling out the ECU (or have anyone else do it) so this suits me fine. 

[Wayne@AWESOME]

red14 - speak to Ecotune in Glasgow, they are excellent at what they do. They will be able to provide you with everything you need

[P_G]

red14, I'm pretty sure the ECU will have to be pulled the first time of mapping as flash accessibility is disabled on the ECU and has to be modified to allow access at which point they just burn the standard APR map on to the ECU anyway since it is out. 

[Mr_Freeze]

Its based a lot on the type and version of the ECU in the car; for example some of the earlier TTRS cars have program switching (think circa 2010/2011) however we have yet to come across an RS3 that has the same ECU and version.
Truth is, APR in the US are working as best as they can to get program switching and APR Mobile done for as many of the cars as they can but they are currently focused more on getting the later model car software out.
Ill ask the question again though

Thanks Wayne.
This is one point where APR fall down and lose customer support.
They promised this way back when, but now there's a new market they forget their promises.

[Uncle Fester]

Thanks Wayne.
This is one point where APR fall down and lose customer support.
They promised this way back when, but now there's a new market they forget their promises.

It'll never happen.

Edited by DAYTONA-500, 23 December 2014 - 02:03 PM.

[Jmcnamee98]

APR mobile maps are available for the RS3 but program switching has never been worked on. It seems there are too many ecu and box code versions for APR to write this for the rest of the world / non US markets. Shame really as I suspect they would sell a lot of APR mobile dongles on here if they did, or if the dongle could log 0-60 0-100 quarter mile etc! It's also unclear whether there is enough storage available on the RS3 ecu for more than one program which could be a factor in the delay.

If you look at the APR Mobile Dongle page http://www.goapr.co....cts/mobile.html 'If a Mobile compatible ECU Upgrade is not ready for the vehicle’s ECU box code, revision and currently installed software, an APR dealer can request the file to be made during normal business hours. Typical turnaround time for MED17.x is the same day. MED 9.x requests typically turn around a day later.' Sadly this does not apply to ECMS as I have specifically previously asked. I'd hoped the diagnostics ran on my car may have helped gather some information for ECMS but they were run specifically for another reason.

[Paul]

Any plans for APR to develop tuning that does not require the ECU to be removed?

Revo have a solution.

http://blog.revotech...onger-required/

And from their RS3 tuning page....

http://www.revotechn...ory-locked-ecus

Remapping via the OBD port will always be preferable to removing and opening up the ECU in my opinion.

Edited by Paul, 23 December 2014 - 10:13 PM.

[Wayne@AWESOME]

APR mobile maps are available for the RS3 but program switching has never been worked on. It seems there are too many ecu and box code versions for APR to write this for the rest of the world / non US markets. Shame really as I suspect they would sell a lot of APR mobile dongles on here if they did, or if the dongle could log 0-60 0-100 quarter mile etc! It's also unclear whether there is enough storage available on the RS3 ecu for more than one program which could be a factor in the delay.

If you look at the APR Mobile Dongle page http://www.goapr.co....cts/mobile.html 'If a Mobile compatible ECU Upgrade is not ready for the vehicle’s ECU box code, revision and currently installed software, an APR dealer can request the file to be made during normal business hours. Typical turnaround time for MED17.x is the same day. MED 9.x requests typically turn around a day later.' Sadly this does not apply to ECMS as I have specifically previously asked. I'd hoped the diagnostics ran on my car may have helped gather some information for ECMS but they were run specifically for another reason.

 

Offering an APR Mobile file is almost a given on most cars now, including the RS3/TTRS however that only allows logging, fault code checks and not program switching.

At present, the issue is that the generation of ecu's on the RS3/TTRS have very limited room (data space) to allow those extra maps be loaded, and switched between.

They are working on it however!

 

Any plans for APR to develop tuning that does not require the ECU to be removed?

Revo have a solution.

http://blog.revotech...onger-required/

And from their RS3 tuning page....

http://www.revotechn...ory-locked-ecus

Remapping via the OBD port will always be preferable to removing and opening up the ECU in my opinion.

As far as I am aware, presently almost all cars can be flashed via OBD for our software EXCEPT the TTRS and RS3. Once the initial ecu out flash is done it can be done obd going forward.

I have dropped an email in to ask the question though.

[Paul]

Thank you for the response Wayne.

[Jmcnamee98]

Offering an APR Mobile file is almost a given on most cars now, including the RS3/TTRS however that only allows logging, fault code checks and not program switching.
At present, the issue is that the generation of ecu's on the RS3/TTRS have very limited room (data space) to allow those extra maps be loaded, and switched between.
They are working on it however!
 


As far as I am aware, presently almost all cars can be flashed via OBD for our software EXCEPT the TTRS and RS3. Once the initial ecu out flash is done it can be done obd going forward.
I have dropped an email in to ask the question though.

Thanks for the response Wayne however it's my personal experience that my ecu has had to come out EVERY time something has been needed to be done to the map. So that's Stage I, Stock, Checksum Error, Stock, Stage I, Stage II, Mobile. Now no matter how careful dealers are removing the ecu and I am sure some are more careful than others I am sure mine now shows signs of having been removed.

If mapping was possible through the OBD port there is less chance of physical damage to the ecu and any revisions become a much less labour intensive process.

[sawda]

Latest news from Apr.... No program switching 😔



Hi Sami,

Program switching is very difficult to achieve on the RS3/TTRS due to constraints with the ECU used.

As such, it doesn’t look like we will be putting the man hours into developing this due to the time taken vs. the demand for the feature.

Regards
Wayne

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[marshy]

Great customer service

[T-800]

So that applies to the MK 2 as well ?
No demand ?

Why advertise it as a feature then?

And they wonder why people aren't wanting to give them their cars......


Sent from Cyberdyne systems

[red14]

REVO SPS anybody?

[Wayne@AWESOME]

As explained in an email.

In a business sense, to break even we would need to freshly flash 480 RS3's (thats 40 x each boxcode, of which there are twelve).

With the fact most people are running APR software already and that it would become a free update, its not financially viable.

I understand how annoying this will be, its not that it was never planned to do, however since the mangrove aquisition they are streamlining their development and its working really well but you must understand that they cant dedicate two or three software engineers to a product offering that may or may not even break even - its just not good business.

I also understand everyones frustrations with the website and the information stated, along with past employees of APR writing cheques they simply cannot cash - the website we are working very hard on getting control of, once that is done and we can locally manage it the entire site - every page - will be getting vetted and cleaned up.

The MK2 Audi RS3 is different, as this is an MED17 ecu of which map switching is much easier to develop and program.

 

[Jmcnamee98]

Wayne that's not a great response saying there's now no business case for it.

One of the reasons I went for the APR software was I had been lead to believe this feature was coming. I've already stated I'd purchase an APR mobile dongle if program switching became available and I'm sure others would to so its not free or no reward development.

It's unfortunate some of the information from APR has led to expectations not being met or has been untrue such as the map is not detectable when reverted to stock. Whilst I like the performance from the software at the moment if I go Stage III I'll end up replacing the APR software as its only available for the manual TTRS and Garret turbo and not for a hybrid turbo.

For these reasons I wouldn't purchase APR software again.

[Roy]

Im more than happy with APR to be honest,

 

yes they said they were going to do the switchable thing and whilst there were a few of us on the forum that might have wanted it done

 

would the owners of the rest of the cars in the UK,  they might not even know about a remap or stage 3 with allsorts of turbo's !

 

If you or I was APR would I/we invest in something that would not make us any money,,, probably not and as the Mk1 was a limited run.

 

My car was transformed when it was done and I've never looked back.... just my tuppence

 

(Wayne you owe me a drink now mush )

[Uncle Fester]

Wayne that's not a great response saying there's now no business case for it.

One of the reasons I went for the APR software was I had been lead to believe this feature was coming. I've already stated I'd purchase an APR mobile dongle if program switching became available and I'm sure others would to so its not free or no reward development.

It's unfortunate some of the information from APR has led to expectations not being met or has been untrue such as the map is not detectable when reverted to stock. Whilst I like the performance from the software at the moment if I go Stage III I'll end up replacing the APR software as its only available for the manual TTRS and Garret turbo and not for a hybrid turbo.

For these reasons I wouldn't purchase APR software again

 

They've strung everybody along for years ,not responded to questions asked on here and now finally admitted is not gonna happen as its not "financially viable". I presume it wasn't "financially viable" for them to purchase an 8v to develop the new software thats why the other week they were asking to borrow one for development,unlike another forum sponsor who purchased a car and at least another UK tunining company that i know of.