[MacD]

Ok here are the figures from the top tuners:

 

 

Stage-1 

 

REVO Stage I 410bhp and 546NM at £699
MRC Stage I +60bhp (so approx.=410) and +120NM (approx. 560) at £650
APR Stage I 414bhp and 583 NM at £838

 

Stage -2

REVO Stage 2 420bhp and 560NM at £749
MRC Stage II 430bhp and 606NM at £750

APR stage 2 420-430bhp 
Stage 2 both need turbo back systems: Milltek £2075

FMIC: Forge- £900

and optimised intake £100+

 

Whats the general consensus ?  Worth the extra serious money for around 10-15BHP and 20NM?

[Vito]

would you not get that extra 10-15 bhp by just fitting the bigger intercooler at half the price of a milltek ?

[MacD]

would you not get that extra 10-15 bhp by just fitting the bigger intercooler at half the price of a milltek ?

 

You'd certainly be well on your way to getting the bhp figure.

 

Obviously you'd not be letting the engine breathe as well as if you had the exhaust though.   I'd like to see the difference in RR graphs for both stage 2 and a car with just the intercooler.

[Vito]

So looking at the figures and what I have been reading on various forums, the APR map is the best one, but if your car hasn't got the cruise control how do you switch it back to stock mode and vice versa ? Do you need to have this fitted as well ?

[Anakin]

So looking at the figures and what I have been reading on various forums, the APR map is the best one, but if your car hasn't got the cruise control how do you switch it back to stock mode and vice versa ? Do you need to have this fitted as well ?

 

Don't press the pedal as hard...

Mine made 417 on a Revo stage 1 ....

[MBK]

I think it's telling that there are few RS3 Stage II map dyno graphs around.  There are no TTRS or RS3 Stage I vs Stage II videos on Youtube, you'd think if it was that much better someone would have run the numbers and made a flashy video to generate interest.

 

I've seen some claims of 450bhp but with no chart to back it up.  KTM are saying up to 480bhp will be possible with the S-tronic box when this engine is fitted in the Xbow - no idea how modified an engine that will be though or at what cost.

 

Stage I makes most sense, you're not going to be able to feel or notice a 10-15 bhp difference and at £3.5k that is a lot of money for the extra bit of go.  The FMIC would be useful on longer hot track sessions but these days I rarely run more than 8-10 laps at a time for the sake of the other components like brakes and tyres. It's not all about the headline numbers either, my Evo 360 tuned to 400bhp was barely different 90% of the time, the ecutek map gave it much better high rev urge which was useful on track - day to day, on road the difference was minimal.

 

I like Revo maps, they feel aggressive, but my local dealer has to send the RS3 ECU away for unlocking and I'm not doing that.  I'd go for the APR map because that also switches off the 'throttle cut by braking' software, this would give the RS3 more adjustability on track which is where I'd want the gain.

[Anakin]

480 bhp+ is the figures people are getting with the hybrid LOBA Turbo's + full stage 2 hardware and fuel pump etc.

 

Stage 1 with Pannel filter and 2nd cats removal is the best bang for buck. Personally I think 417 bhp is plenty for road use, espcially for you S tronic folks.

 

I went with Revo, APR wasent a choice when I mapped mine. Ive been very happy with the aftermarket support from revo (had some limp mode issues with it overboosting). Updating the map and turning boost down from 9 to 8 has cured the problem.

Revo maps can also have various setting via SPS see here http://www.revotechnik.com/sps/

MRC remaps have also recieved good reviews in the TT RS world.

Edited by Anakin, 07 May 2013 - 07:00 PM.

[MBK]

I agree 417bhp is more than enough for road use.  I personally think 340 is plenty for road use!  More for the track is always good to have.

 

The 480+ claim by KTM makes more sense now, that will be crazy in the Xbow.

 

I've also heard some good things about MRC, the only downside being it's a single location where APR and Revo, even more so. have a network of dealers.  Useful to have a local dealer just in case the main dealer reflashes the ECU!  Revo are out for me this time as the local retailer has to send the ECU away for unlocking and wants to charge £100 for that.  

[MacD]

I must keep telling myself i do not need an intercooler, Milltek and Stg2 !

 

I have to agree that for a daily stg1 is not going feel different to stg2, Drag racing or track is a different story.

[Anakin]

Get stage 1 steve and see how it feel's, its not exactly slow OEM. Spend the rest on some Rim's or other tasty mods.

You need some Engine bling for starters Ebay £300 ish ...

 

[MacD]

As much as i really like that carbon i'm not spending £300 sheets on something only Audi tech's will see....... Well i say i'm not, I mean at the minute i'm not.

 

I was contemplating another route like colour coding or something

[P_G]

Colour coding? Inside or out?

[MacD]

Engine bay plastics but think it'll look gash red?

 

Inside i fancy getting it carbon wrapped or dipped rather than piano black.

 

Not sure if red would suit on the trims.

[MBK]

I've been looking around the web for information on TTRS/RS3 tuning and thought you might find these useful if you are considering tuning:

 

MRC Tuning - This is an excellent thread on TTRS S-tronic tuning with lots of clear graphs, figures and Performance Box runs at Stage I & Stage II.  Check out the impressive Stage I 0-60 & 0 - 100 times.  The gains for Stage II remain quite small and it's difficult to see exactly what the exhaust (which needed to be fully decated to get to 427bhp) and FMIC add.  

 

http://audisrs.com/T...about27504.html

 

APR TTRS

 

http://www.ttforum.c...p?f=19&t=261633

 

APR Stage II - 423bhp

 

http://www.vagoc.co....ead.php?t=11980

 

I'm sure there are many more threads out there (I'm amazed how many VAG/Audi/RS forums there are!), I've only included the threads that include dyno plots and/or performance box charts - there are a few bigger bhp claims out there without charts to back them up.

 

My conclusion remains the same Stage I would be enough for me.

[MacD]

Interesting to see that Mattchaps only made 385bhp with stage 1 when Anakins TTRS is making 412bhp or there about's with stage 1, Milltek 2nd cats.

 

So really he's gained around just 11bhp extra from including an exhaust and intake.... poor BHP for the cost !

 

I saw Matt's video of him and a mate having a spirited drive.

 

The Stage 1 TTRS DSG actually ended up overtaking his Stage 2 manual TTRS..... Says something for DSG too ! 

 

I might have to get the RS3 stage 1 tuned just in the name of science! 

[MBK]

Yep DSG makes a massive difference, I'm convinced by the figures and feel that the standard RS3 is as quick as my old Evo IX360 and that has to be the gearbox making up the difference in power to weight ratio.

 

I just don't think you'd feel any difference between Stage I and II - unless you are a drag racer like the first thread and every 10th counts.  For the track Stage I the AP/Loba brakes and a set of coilovers would be my choice.

[MacD]

I'd like to see some stage 1 vs stage 2 figures as in 0-60,  50-100 etc !

 

I'd suggest though that there'd be negligible difference to warrant the cost for real world driving... Or perhaps even for the track enthusiast. 

 

It does appear that your best bet is stage 1.... then straight to stage 3 should you want more power.

 

I like the idea of an Intercooler tho, guess i just have to realise its not a mod to add power as such then. 

[MacD]

Found this of Matts car,  Just look at how the DSG makes the difference! 

 

[Evan@APR]

Ok here are the figures from the top tuners:

 

 

Stage-1 

 

REVO Stage I 410bhp and 546NM at £699
MRC Stage I +60bhp (so approx.=410) and +120NM (approx. 560) at £650
APR Stage I 414bhp and 583 NM at £838

 

Stage -2

REVO Stage 2 420bhp and 560NM at £749
MRC Stage II 430bhp and 606NM at £750
Stage 2 both need turbo back systems: Milltek £2075

FMIC: Forge- £900

and optimised intake £100+

 

Whats the general consensus ?  Worth the extra serious money for around 10-15BHP and 20NM?

 

I hope you don't mind if I add APR stage 2 figures around 420-430bhp depending on the dyno. We also do not charge for stage 2 upgrades for existing customers.

 

Regarding performance: S-Tronic TTRS customers are running upwards of 3.1second 0-60 times on street tyres and we just had a stage 2 customer put down an 11.51@117mph at York Raceway over the weekend.

 

I'd love to see what some of our RS3 customers are doing at the strip!

Edited by Evan@APR, 29 May 2013 - 03:34 PM.

[MacD]

Updated to include the APR stg2.

 

Thats some impressive times then for the TTRS, Was that stg1 or 2?