[Irfy]

Any updates Hassan?, Irf?

Nope I've been asking all this time and got nothing. Want it now more than ever now I have the car back!

[JamesBaby]

Looks like its out. Just seen an Instagram post

[JamesBaby]

It says upto 449 PS and 670NM.

 

So that's upto 442 bhp, and 494 lb\ft

[JamesBaby]

USA web link now updated with dyno plots

 

http://www.goapr.com...25tfsi_mqb.html

[deepspacemillar]

After having had a look in detail at them - the Stage 2 upgrade is pretty modest over Stage 1. Stage 2+ looks really good, but the cost is a tad insane.
It would certainly set you up nicely for a great Stage 3 build though - are there are plans for this?

[JamesBaby]

I've been eyeing the graphs myself, and I thought there is a large jump between Stage 1 to 2. Maybe not on top end figures, but there is a huge difference in torque, especially low down where it really matters. 

 

From Stage 2 to 2+ it's modest, but again the area under the curve is significantly increased. Whether its worth the cost of the HPFP will be down to personal preference.

 

The first post in this thread really shows that APR know their onions. To me anyway.

[deepspacemillar]

I don't for one second mean to imply APR don't know their stuff, they're one of the only people I would trust for something like this, I was just commenting from a consumer side as to what's good value.

To clarify, Stage 1 to Stage 2 appears to basically add more pep below ~3200rpm, while the overall peaks are up ~10ft-lbs/hp. Otherwise it's much the same. The low down torque will certainly be apparent below 3200rpm in normal more sedate driving, but I'm not convinced there's much difference at the high end over the stage 1, especially as, if you're actually trying to drive fast, you're not going to see below 3500rpm too often.
Given that Stage 2 requires an intercooler and a downpipe upgrade (well over 2k in hardware without fitting and the APR remap), I just think it would be hard for me to justify.

Stage 2+ is a different matter, from ~3500rpm onwards, you have a noticeable mid-range boost of about 30-40hp, and the peak power plateau has extended out about 500rpm, so you're pretty much sitting at at peak power from nearly 4500rpm all the way to the redline. That's crazy, especially compared to stock, and I'm pretty tempted.
The only dampener for me here is the HPFP upgrade that APR require for this is over 2 grand!
In fairness, it's one of the best stage 2's I've seen, and I imagine with these parts it's rock solid, but it's still 4.5k of hardware, plus fitting, plus remap.

The reason I ask about a stage 3 is because since everything else is already upgraded, for another 2.5k you could bolt on a TTE500 turbo and you'd be making close to an extra 100hp.

[Caney]

I don't for one second mean to imply APR don't know their stuff, they're one of the only people I would trust for something like this, I was just commenting from a consumer side as to what's good value.
To clarify, Stage 1 to Stage 2 appears to basically add more pep below ~3200rpm, while the overall peaks are up ~10ft-lbs/hp. Otherwise it's much the same. The low down torque will certainly be apparent below 3200rpm in normal more sedate driving, but I'm not convinced there's much difference at the high end over the stage 1, especially as, if you're actually trying to drive fast, you're not going to see below 3500rpm too often.
Given that Stage 2 requires an intercooler and a downpipe upgrade (well over 2k in hardware without fitting and the APR remap), I just think it would be hard for me to justify.
Stage 2+ is a different matter, from ~3500rpm onwards, you have a noticeable mid-range boost of about 30-40hp, and the peak power plateau has extended out about 500rpm, so you're pretty much sitting at at peak power from nearly 4500rpm all the way to the redline. That's crazy, especially compared to stock, and I'm pretty tempted.
The only dampener for me here is the HPFP upgrade that APR require for this is over 2 grand!
In fairness, it's one of the best stage 2's I've seen, and I imagine with these parts it's rock solid, but it's still 4.5k of hardware, plus fitting, plus remap.
The reason I ask about a stage 3 is because since everything else is already upgraded, for another 2.5k you could bolt on a TTE500 turbo and you'd be making close to an extra 100hp.

i'm stage2 on a MRC tuning package,they quoted me £500 to supply and fit a hpfp and map tweak to suit

[JamesBaby]

........and I'm pretty tempted.
The only dampener for me here is the HPFP upgrade that APR require for this is over 2 grand!
In fairness, it's one of the best stage 2's I've seen, and I imagine with these parts it's rock solid, but it's still 4.5k of hardware, plus fitting, plus remap.

........

 

Call John at Awesome about the cost of the Stage 2 and 2+ fully installed. Regarding the HPFP, you can go with the Autotech internals which are £400, as opposed to the APR internals, or APR new pump which is silly money.

 

Approximate list prices from the web, with no discount :

Stage 2 = Map £960, Forge IC is £1059, Milltek Sport Car DP is £1100. £3119 + Fitting\Dyno

Stage 2+ = Autotech internals for HPFP - £400 + Fitting

[terminator x]

i'm stage2 on a MRC tuning package,they quoted me £500 to supply and fit a hpfp and map tweak to suit

Sounds more like it.

TX.

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[deepspacemillar]

That is definitely a lot more palatable!

[JamesBaby]

Sounds more like it.

TX.

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I doubt the pump is that price. It will be the upgraded internals to go into your existing pump as I mentioned earlier.

[Fivepotfan]

Most of the HPFP upgrades usually consist of a kit of precision machined/matched parts which are substituted in place of the OEM internals on the fuel pump (the large hexagonal shaped nut looking thing on top of the engine just under the intake tube towards the back).

 

I think there are precision parts for these kits which are intended for stage 2 or 3 use, then there are 'super' precision parts which are much more expensive (the APR parts for example) and are intended for engines which will run much more bespoke power outputs beyond the stage 2 & 3 levels - the sort of stuff that Shaunee is embarking on for the next step in his build thread. 

 

Having a HPFP was not necessarily essential for stage 2 tunes but more recently the tuning companies have found a way to bypass the 1.55 bar limit of the turbo and torque output figures have soared as a result.